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Old 05-03-2012, 09:12 AM   #21 (permalink)
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We don't need 3 rookies lol.
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Old 05-03-2012, 09:21 AM   #22 (permalink)
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it really depends on what team you trade with and what the pick turns out to be dude...
You target Bradley Beal with the third pick.

if you trade out you target a starting calibre PG, SG, or SF such as Iguodala, Lowry, Eric Gordon if he decides he wants out. Yes they are worth a pick and a player.

I think this draft is deep with role players.
If Toronto lands 3rd (via trade or ping pong balls),I think Kidd-Gilchrist is a better option if he's available. Demar Derozan is still young at 22 and improving,if the Raps draft Beal, you add another shooting guard. DD is 6'7 but thin,I guess him and Beal could work but I prefer MKG. I'm not saying Toronto needs to build around Derozan either but he's a good building piece.

I'd do that trade for Gordon,he's talented. My question is,is he really a PG or an undersized two guard? He can run the offense either way.
Lowry is nice too but I feel a top 10 pick and a player is too much for him.
Many like Igoudola...he's already reached his ceiling in my opinion,I'd refrain from acquiring him through a trade involving the early 1st.
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Old 05-03-2012, 09:29 AM   #23 (permalink)
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We don't need 3 rookies lol.
They don't stay rookies forever lol and this is how you build a solid contender.

A few months ago, experts and ball fans were talking about them UK boys being able to compete with an NBA team. These guys are talented regardless of experience and would make us better.

OKC drafted Durant,Harden & Westbrook in edition to trading Ray Allen for Jeff Green (5th overall in respective draft) who they then flipped for Perkins.

San Antonio,same thing. Their key players were draft picks (Duncan,Parker,Ginobili...now Blair & Leonard). Free Agents/Trade acquired players are mainly effective when seeking a finishing touch or filling a hole.
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Old 05-03-2012, 09:33 AM   #24 (permalink)
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We don't need 3 rookies lol.
Agreed. Enough rookies, we'll have Valanciunas and probably another rookie! That's plenty.
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Disagree with the 'other Bankiz' on a couple things.... We don't need more rookies, and Colangelo and Casey have been on record saying we're too young. MKG isn't a better fit than Beal. Casey is on record saying shooting is our biggest need, and Beal is considered the best pure shooter in the draft. MKG and DD are an awful pairing on the wing despite their individual values. Finally, the SA example is an extremely poor one. Yeah, those guys were all picked, but those teams weren't so young and inexperienced either.
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Old 05-03-2012, 10:31 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Disagree with the 'other Bankiz' on a couple things.... We don't need more rookies, and Colangelo and Casey have been on record saying we're too young. MKG isn't a better fit than Beal. Casey is on record saying shooting is our biggest need, and Beal is considered the best pure shooter in the draft. MKG and DD are an awful pairing on the wing despite their individual values. Finally, the SA example is an extremely poor one. Yeah, those guys were all picked, but those teams weren't so young and inexperienced either.
Toronto isn't going to win the championship in a couple of years,
Even if the sign a few veterans or non rookies,they way the team is built now if they make the playoffs next season (a big IF) they'll get swept by Bulls, Heat
Or Pacers.

They need to think 3-5 years from now.
OKC for example has been working on their blueprint since 07 when they drafted Durant,5 years later they're favored to advance to the West Finals. Their plan began to blossom 3 years after Durant was drafted.

That's Toronto & the BC regime's problem,it seems like they have no plan. The Raptors don't even have a legit player/star to build around yet. Whether traded or kept, he's drafted 7 big men (Power Fowards/Centers) and 1 shooting guard during his tenure as GM. Not one legitimate small forward or point guard,coincidentally those are the two positions they are lacking in the most.

Also Roy Hibbert (All Star), Goran Drajic, Jared Dudley , Norris Cole & Jonas Jerebiko notably were all taken with Toronto's pick (many of which were late first or second round picks) traded away by BC. I'm pretty sure ALL of you would take at least two of those players on the Raptors now...oh yeah, all Toronto has to show for that is James Johnson and the TPE (if they still have it)

I'm not suggesting anything like Toronto needs to dump BC but whatever his plan was,should've been in effect by now and I don't buy the Chris Bosh leaving excuse,that possibility was well known in advance.

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Old 05-03-2012, 11:45 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Toronto isn't going to win the championship in a couple of years,
Even if the sign a few veterans or non rookies,they way the team is built now if they make the playoffs next season (a big IF) they'll get swept by Bulls, Heat
Or Pacers.

They need to think 3-5 years from now.
OKC for example has been working on their blueprint since 07 when they drafted Durant,5 years later they're favored to advance to the West Finals. Their plan began to blossom 3 years after Durant was drafted.

That's Toronto & the BC regime's problem,it seems like they have no plan. The Raptors don't even have a legit player/star to build around yet. Whether traded or kept, he's drafted 7 big men (Power Fowards/Centers) and 1 shooting guard during his tenure as GM. Not one legitimate small forward or point guard,coincidentally those are the two positions they are lacking in the most.

Also Roy Hibbert (All Star), Goran Drajic, Jared Dudley , Norris Cole & Jonas Jerebiko notably were all taken with Toronto's pick (many of which were late first or second round picks) traded away by BC. I'm pretty sure ALL of you would take at least two of those players on the Raptors now...oh yeah, all Toronto has to show for that is James Johnson and the TPE (if they still have it)

I'm not suggesting anything like Toronto needs to dump BC but whatever his plan was,should've been in effect by now and I don't buy the Chris Bosh leaving excuse,that possibility was well known in advance.
if you're Toronto and you haven't had much success in almost ever with players, it's kinda hard to trade the one bright spot of the franchise you know?

I don't care about what rookies may become, having three rookies on the same team pose as a problem especially with a team full of young, developing players.

we'll see what BC's all in plan is.
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Old 05-03-2012, 01:44 PM   #28 (permalink)
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They don't stay rookies forever lol and this is how you build a solid contender.

OKC drafted Durant,Harden & Westbrook in edition to trading Ray Allen for Jeff Green (5th overall in respective draft) who they then flipped for Perkins.
OKC didn't draft Durant, Westbrook and Harden all in the same draft. We also aren't talking about collecting top 4 picks. Those are guys you build around, not 14 and 16th picks.

This isn't the NFL, trading down is almost never a good idea. In the NFL you have 22 starting positions to fill, and one player can't swing a team like it can in the NBA. In the NBA you are trying to get the best possible player.
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Old 05-03-2012, 04:25 PM   #29 (permalink)
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OKC didn't draft Durant, Westbrook and Harden all in the same draft. We also aren't talking about collecting top 4 picks. Those are guys you build around, not 14 and 16th picks.

This isn't the NFL, trading down is almost never a good idea. In the NFL you have 22 starting positions to fill, and one player can't swing a team like it can in the NBA. In the NBA you are trying to get the best possible player.
Or you could put it this way - the importance of every player is so much higher in the NBA that the importance of talent evaluation (and luck) is paramount in building a successful franchise. Some teams, like Utah and SA, for instance, have shown for years that they are capable of drafting great talent late in the draft. Others have shown they are consistently capable of blowing pretty high picks, including #1 overall. I'd say that Toronto as a club and Colangelo as a GM are somewhere in the middle of the pack and so, yeah, they'd need as high a pick as possible to improve their chances of striking gold in the draft.
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Old 05-05-2012, 06:42 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Or you could put it this way - the importance of every player is so much higher in the NBA that the importance of talent evaluation (and luck) is paramount in building a successful franchise. Some teams, like Utah and SA, for instance, have shown for years that they are capable of drafting great talent late in the draft. Others have shown they are consistently capable of blowing pretty high picks, including #1 overall. I'd say that Toronto as a club and Colangelo as a GM are somewhere in the middle of the pack and so, yeah, they'd need as high a pick as possible to improve their chances of striking gold in the draft.
I hear what you're Saying and I think most of it is true BUT I disagree with needing the highest pick. The higher the pick only means greater the pressure.

Toronto has had 1st overall before and that hasn't equaled gold. Bargnani is a great complimentary piece but NO player you build your team around. Let's say AB was drafted 16th overall he would be considered a steal. AB is still one of the best from that draft class but in hindsight,Phoenix selected the best player from that draft today,in Rajon Rondo,in the bottom half of the first round.

I'm just saying,if Toronto doesn't have who they WANT available when it's their turn to select,they should think about trading down because what they NEED (a PG prospect ) will likely be there and they can add another prospect who may fit their system and turn out to be a steal.
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Old 05-05-2012, 06:50 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Also Roy Hibbert (All Star), Goran Drajic, Jared Dudley , Norris Cole & Jonas Jerebiko notably were all taken with Toronto's pick (many of which were late first or second round picks) traded away by BC. I'm pretty sure ALL of you would take at least two of those players on the Raptors now...oh yeah, all Toronto has to show for that is James Johnson and the TPE (if they still have it)

So...what you're saying is dont trade away picks?
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Old 05-05-2012, 07:11 PM   #32 (permalink)
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So...what you're saying is dont trade away picks?
I'm saying for this draft, Toronto shouldn't trade out (unless they get an Eric Gordon,young & promsing player) because Colangelo's track record hasn't been good when trading away his picks (most of which has been 2nd rounders).

I say trade up (if you don't have to offer DD or too much) or trade down and acquire a middle of the draft 1st round pick and another 1st round pick or possibly another decent rotation player,because if they're targeting a PG I think the Raps could get Marshall,Teague or Lillard between(all have the same potential,none of them stands out significantly more than the others) 13th-18th,most of the teams ahead of 13th don't need a PG. If Barnes is available at 8th,sure draft him but I don't think they should draft any of those PG's at 8th.
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Old 05-08-2012, 04:49 AM   #33 (permalink)
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this is the kind of draft that will seperate the good gms from the bad ones, just look at the board, after harrision barnes in the 7th hole and where you think sullinger should go which i think very high, there isn't much difference

just look from 8 to 20, you can mix and match any of those players, it all depends where the teams have them ranked and what they need,

this is the kind of draft where the 20th player taken in the first round could be one of the best players three years down the road, its just that deep in talent, just not superstar talent that the Raptors need unless we get the no 1 pick

raptors could do a ton of trading down, move the 8th pick to houston for the 14th and 16th pick, move the 16th pick and a 2nd round pick to boston for 21 and 22nd pick,

14th pick quincy miller
21st pick marquis teague
22nd pick evan fournier (stock pile him europe while develops)

thats one scenario you could do, obviously whoever you like thats available you cant take, one this for sure is there is going to be some solid role players and maybe if your lucky some starters available

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Old 05-08-2012, 06:25 AM   #34 (permalink)
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this is the kind of draft that will seperate the good gms from the bad ones, just look at the board, after harrision barnes in the 7th hole and where you think sullinger should go which i think very high, there isn't much difference

just look from 8 to 20, you can mix and match any of those players, it all depends where the teams have them ranked and what they need,

this is the kind of draft where the 20th player taken in the first round could be one of the best players three years down the road, its just that deep in talent, just not superstar talent that the Raptors need unless we get the no 1 pick

raptors could do a ton of trading down, move the 8th pick to houston for the 14th and 16th pick, move the 16th pick and a 2nd round pick to boston for 21 and 22nd pick,

14th pick quincy miller
21st pick marquis teague
22nd pick evan fournier (stock pile him europe while develops)

thats one scenario you could do, obviously whoever you like thats available you cant take, one this for sure is there is going to be some solid role players and maybe if your lucky some starters available
Trading a down for more picks and/or players is considered a risk but I think in this draft it may be worth it if the player who the Raps want at 8th isn't available. They could very well get lucky and draft a player who turns out to be a solid reserve
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Old 05-08-2012, 07:14 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Until the draft lottery no one knows what picks will be available in a trade, so in theory those aren't bad ideas, but it's all projection and speculation until June.

Though, it is true that there is a lot of talent in this draft. Even some playoff teams will have a chance to add high ceiling players to their rosters.
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Personally, I'm of the opinion that the Raptors would be better off drafting at 8 than getting two players at 14 and 16.

There's only so many roster spots, and we need starters not rotation players. We can worry about depth later.
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Now that its apparent that the Raptors may be discussing a swap with the Rockets, I wonder who would Toronto draft with the #14 or #16 if acquired in a packaged deal for the #8?

Before I liked Terrence Jones,but it's possible Jeremy Lamb may slide that far down. Austin Rivers may also be available in the middle teens. I'm in the belief that Stefanski & Colangelo are eyeing J. Henson with that pick in addition to acquiring Kyle Lowry to play point guard. I'm not sure who Toronto would deal in exchange but giving Houston Jose Calderon(if they don't plan to re-sign Dragic or if he walks), the #8 and another player like Gary Forbes makes the most sense. I think Toronto should try to pry away another player like Courtney Lee too

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Harkless, Ross, Quincy Miller, Marshall
Maybe Sullinger if he slides.
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Harkless, Ross, Quincy Miller, Marshall
Maybe Sullinger if he slides.
Those are all decent choices,could do a lot of stuff. The #14 may not be so bad after all if they acquire Lowry to start at PG.
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The #14 may not be so bad after all if they acquire Lowry to start at PG.
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