Toronto Raptors: Road to a Championship
Old 12-23-2009, 04:16 PM   #1 (permalink)
high in the sky

Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Toronto
Posts: 52
Representing:
Default Toronto Raptors: Road to a Championship

I realized that pretty much every thread here is about the present. Trade talks, bosh, BC, turk...everything is about now and not about later. I started thinking, when are the Raptors going to win a championship? What does it take to win a championship? Are we even close? (well the last one is obvious)

So what does it take? Hard work? Talent? Grit? Determination?

It takes a hole lot of things, but the one thing above all is money! Look at the Celtics payroll, look at the Lakers payroll, look at Orlando's. (HoopsHype - NBA Salaries) Look how closely the payroll list matches that of the leagues power rankings. If the Raptors ever want to win a championship, they need to dish out the big bucks to the big players.

Yes, this is easier said than done. You can't just offer players cash, you have to offer them oppourtunity. This brings up an entirely new discussion point with many aspects to it. Long story short, we need at least 2-3 16mil+ contracts of good value before we make it anywhere. Beats me how we are gonna get there....
mjchabby is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-23-2009, 05:02 PM   #2 (permalink)
KABOOOOOOOSHHHH

straight out of COMPTON
 
CB4Real's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,284
Representing:
Default

this is easy, try selling everybody on the team except cb4,demar,hedo,amir,sonny,(maybe bargnani) and then use that money to buy good players and that will do the trick i think
CB4Real is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-23-2009, 05:10 PM   #3 (permalink)
a hater of Cavs

Member
 
AznRayD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 489
Representing:
Default

Easy, change the name Toronto to Los Angeles and Raptors to Lakers.
AznRayD is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-23-2009, 05:12 PM   #4 (permalink)
"Fake All-Star"

Senior Member
 
TORaptor4Ever's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 16,377
Representing:
Default

It's not only dishing out big bucks to big players... it's dishing out big bucks to the RIGHT players.

The reason why ORL and BOS and LAL are so successful is that they've contructed their teams perfectly from top to bottom.

They have star big men.

They have star wing players.

They have depth.

They have solid rotation players who are capable of playing D (and like it).


TOR has just done a terrible job of surrounding Bosh with the appropriate talent thus far.

Once that changes (and it might change as early as this year... we'll see) we'll see this team start to take strides in the right direction.
TORaptor4Ever is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-23-2009, 05:18 PM   #5 (permalink)
back

Senior Member
 
DuCa00795's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: The Maratimes
Posts: 3,121
Representing:
Default

Defence, the best teams in the league are mostly known for playing good defence, us on the other hang are horrible on defence.
DuCa00795 is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-23-2009, 05:28 PM   #6 (permalink)
is tired of all the Jose hating on this forum! sigh...

Senior Member
 
takman_777's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: NorthWestern Ontario
Posts: 1,804
Representing:
Default

it is a cliche, but defense does win championships... PERIOD!! the Raptors can't play at the level needed to shut down teams when they need to. when they can hold teams to under 95 ppg consistantly, they won't win consistently, they may need to give up so offense to control the clock more, which is what the C's do and the Magic do every night... taking good shots late in the clock and playing defense... a recipe for W's in the NBA...
takman_777 is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-23-2009, 05:32 PM   #7 (permalink)
"Fake All-Star"

Senior Member
 
TORaptor4Ever's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 16,377
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by takman_777 View Post
it is a cliche, but defense does win championships... PERIOD!! the Raptors can't play at the level needed to shut down teams when they need to. when they can hold teams to under 95 ppg consistantly, they won't win consistently, they may need to give up so offense to control the clock more, which is what the C's do and the Magic do every night... taking good shots late in the clock and playing defense... a recipe for W's in the NBA...
Having 3 HOF players a the best defensive PG in the league helps your defense some.

So does having D12, VC, Lewis and a stacked bench.
TORaptor4Ever is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-23-2009, 06:27 PM   #8 (permalink)
is tired of all the Jose hating on this forum! sigh...

Senior Member
 
takman_777's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: NorthWestern Ontario
Posts: 1,804
Representing:
Default well, last time i looked...

Quote:
Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever View Post
Having 3 HOF players a the best defensive PG in the league helps your defense some.

So does having D12, VC, Lewis and a stacked bench.
as far as i could see, the Magic have NOT won a title, nor have any of the guys you mentioned. as for the 3 HOF players the C's have, success breeds success, guys want to play for teams who WANT to win, from the top down. the Raptors don't have that attitude yet and never will as long as MLSE is in charge... sad but true, ownership needs to be committed to winning as well, as for the players, with no heart for defense, you can be as talented as you want and you won't win, ask the Suns about that one!!
takman_777 is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-23-2009, 06:45 PM   #9 (permalink)
the go-to-guy

avatar by F1nir_
 
Mr4thQuarter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,770
Representing:
Default

Title will be extremely difficult, except for fielding a team that is capable of beating anyone in the league there's a big chance the referees will just let Kobe elbow his way to another one if it would even come that far. Because if you think Bargs gets soft calls now you might wanna reconsider that after you've seen how soon he can foul out in a playoff series against players like Lebron, Dwyane or Dwight. Especially in game 6s and 7s.

But future conspiracies aside:

best case scenario:

Raptors continue their streak this year, set a good record, get to the 2nd round in a great series. Willl be tough against any of the best four Eastern teams, but it's not impossible with the roster as it is.

Bosh extends because of the succes.

Both these events would improve Raptors reputation.
1. They showed some quality
2. Bosh extension is out of the way as a potential threat to continuation of the building proces.

This will make ring hungry veterans/role players take a different look at the Raptors when they're considering where to play next year. Incoming good defensive center and lock down defensive small forward.

One year further down the road, it's not inconceivable that Sonny Weems, DeMar DeRozan and Amir Johnson have improved their game. If the same can be said for Bargnani, especially on defense, then things look pretty good already.

At this point, about a year later, exactly the same roster should be a better team than now. They've been together a year, and because of more experience particularly the young guys should improve. The only one who's thirty plus is Hedo and he'd be only 31.

Now, you could make trades of course also.
Calderon or Turkoglu or Bargnani, or even sign and trade Bosh. All of which could bring in talent which might bring more balance.

But, you could also keep all these guys and trade expiring contracts away for something of value to add (besides a couple of signings).

Banks, Bellinelli and Evans are all expiring in 2011, around 11 M. That's enough $ to bring in another really good player off a team that's going nowhere. Biedrins? just a thought, but a lot of options.

The key is this year they have to show that this team is actually going somewhere and can play some D.

what was it? 9-0 when opp are kept under 100?


Worst case scenario:

Raps suck and miss out on the playoffs. Bosh walks.
Then hopefully you'd get something for him in S & T.

Then blow up. Probably have to sacrifice Bargs to get rid of Hedo/Josť and then build around DeRozan and Weems. Jack/DeRozan/Weems/Amir/Thabeet (from S&T Bosh... or fill in another young guy, idk, Rubio at pg?). Couple of lotto's later you might have some real talent and a lot of cap space. Sign Blake Griffin to a max in 2013
Mr4thQuarter is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-23-2009, 08:56 PM   #10 (permalink)
Masai Ujiri

Senior Member
 
Kirby's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 6,775
Representing:
Default

two dominant forces on offence,
four-five dominant forces on defence
depth
Chemistry
and a good coach
Kirby is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Raptors TV Matt Devlin, It was a long road to Toronto! brothersteve Toronto Raptors 14 12-24-2009 03:36 PM
Toronto Nationals Win MLL Championship Windex Other Sports 7 08-25-2009 07:14 AM
Toronto Raptors Team On The Road To Victory 08/09 Jakub Toronto Raptors 14 09-21-2008 12:36 PM
O'Neal Seeks Championship in Toronto Dr. J. Naismith Toronto Raptors 34 07-06-2008 07:46 PM
Would The Raps Have Won A Championship If T-Mac and VC Stayed Together in Toronto? Dr. J. Naismith Toronto Raptors 11 05-25-2008 09:21 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:38 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright RaptorsForum.com 2005-2011

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24