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Old 12-10-2010, 03:39 PM   #1 (permalink)
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1. Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Mavericks, Germany

Forward Dirk Nowitzki's arrival to the NBA in 1998 single-handily changed the game of basketball.

Never before had the game seen a seven-footer be able to stretch defenses the way he did, and hit three-pointers with an alarming accuracy.

His athleticism also made him a favorite in former coach Don Nelson's run-and-gun system.

Since he first arrived on the scene, Nowitzki has never looked back, averaging 23 points per game on 47 percent shooting, 1.2 threes per game at 38 percent shooting, 8.5 rebounds, and a solid free throw percentage as well.

He's a nightmare for any type of player, large or small, to guard, he's the standard for which many European players have held themselves to, and his fadeaway jumper is nearly unstoppable.

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5. Andrea Bargnani, Toronto Raptors, Italy

Bargnani has proven he clearly belongs in the league the last few years.

He's a consistent shooter, and although maybe not the shot blocker you'd expect out of a 7'0", 250-pound forward/center, he stretches the floor and creates massive matchup problems with his ability to hit the long ball and his athleticism.

He's averaging over 21 points per game this season, shooting 47 percent from the floor on 17 shots per game.

I'm guessing the Raptors will try to hold onto him
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8. Jose Calderon, Toronto Raptors, Spain

Guard Jose Calderon is one of the most overlooked and underrated guards in the NBA.

Despite shooting at a 49 percent clip throughout his career, he averages about eight shots a game.
That is because he is a big-time team player who is very good at getting his teammates the ball at the right spots on the floor.

He's what a point guard should be, a general.

Despite averaging 21 minutes per game one season, Calderon has never averaged less than 4.5 assists per game in his six years in the league.

He's averaging 6.4 this season in just over 25 minutes per game.
#7- Turkoglu
#13- Marco Belinelli

Andrea Bargnani: Power Ranking the Top 20 European Players in the NBA | Bleacher Report
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Would have thought Diaw wouldn't be so high... and not sure about Ben Gordon being #4....
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USSR/Yugoslavia... the countries are all f-ed up.

With this methodology they should've put Nowitzki as Eastern German.
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Would have thought Diaw wouldn't be so high... and not sure about Ben Gordon being #4....
Agreed. Bargs should definitely be ahead of Gordon if they're judging them based on this year's performance.
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Oh great, here come the Jose for allstar cries again. :facepalm:
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Turkoglu is number 7 :facepalm:
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Old 12-10-2010, 05:36 PM   #7 (permalink)
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USSR/Yugoslavia... the countries are all f-ed up.

With this methodology they should've put Nowitzki as Eastern German.
Wrzburg is, in fact, in Western Germany, so no.
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Whoever wrote this list is an idiot.

USSR? Yugoslavia? Couldn't do research and find Georgia? Couldn't realize that Yugoslavia no longer exists?

I have to remember though, it is the Bleacher Report.
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Oh great, here come the Jose for allstar cries again. :facepalm:
Not really, all you or i have to do is point to the fact that Turkoglu is ranked ahead of him....the end!
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Hedo Turkoglu, Turkey

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Where else would a player with the last name of Turkoglu come from?

In his 11 years in the NBA, forward Hedo Turkoglu has established himself as a solid player.

He can go stretches where can lift a team, and his ability to hit the long ball is a big reason he's been with San Antonio, Orlando, and now the Suns.

He's a respected player, and one of the more recognized European players in the league.
Funny how they dont even mention him playing in Toronto

Jose being 8th on the list tells how much more he is valued outside Toronto (atleast this forum ). I bet 90% of the forum members would trade him straight up for atleast 10 of the guys below him on the list.

Of course the list seems to be made based on career, not this year and it doesnt take into account the contract. But still, Jose seems to be the guy everyone here loves to hate, but everyone outside Toronto loves.
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Wrzburg is, in fact, in Western Germany, so no.
I was joking but I guess it came across like that lol.

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Whoever wrote this list is an idiot.

USSR? Yugoslavia? Couldn't do research and find Georgia? Couldn't realize that Yugoslavia no longer exists?
Yup.

Somehow they put Russian for Kirilenko though.... pretty much everyone else in Eastern Europe as USSR. Ilgauskas would be pissed! Lithuanians hate Russians.

And the Yugoslavia reference would make people pissed too since all those broken up countries as so nationalistic.

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USSR/Yugoslavia... the countries are all f-ed up.

With this methodology they should've put Nowitzki as Eastern German.
Well its the country where they were born so USSR/Yugoslavia are correct in that sense. But I really did not know that London is a country (see Ben Gordon). Might be the fuck up school system and socialist geography in my country, but I always thought it was part of UK.
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Looking at it more closely its really fucked up. Zaza is from USSR (now adays Georgia), Biedrins is from Latviaa (was USSR when he was born), Big-Z is from USSR, and Kirilenko from Russia.

So no logic at all. But I still think Ben Gordon from London is the worst. I can understand that someone gets confused with all the former soviet states, but London a country? Really?

The guy who made the list hopefully knows his basketball. Geography certainly aint his forte :facepalm:
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Mine:

1-Dirk
2-Pau Gasol
3-Bargs
4-Parker
5-Marc Gasol
6-Kirilenko
7-Gordon
8-Gallinari
9-Diaw
10-Caldi
11-Rudy F
12-Batum
13-Sefolosha
14-Biedrins
15-Hedo
16-Belinelli
17-Z
18-Krstic
19-Darko
20-Zaza
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Mine:

1-Dirk
2-Pau Gasol
3-Bargs
4-Parker
5-Marc Gasol
6-Kirilenko
7-Gordon
8-Gallinari
9-Diaw
10-Caldi
11-Rudy F
12-Batum
13-Sefolosha
14-Biedrins
15-Hedo
16-Belinelli
17-Z
18-Krstic
19-Darko
20-Zaza
Based on? Current level, career, or just likeability?

And no way is Bargs better than Parker. No matter on which basis. The only category Bargs wins against Parker is lenght.
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Based on? Current level, career, or just likeability?

And no way is Bargs better than Parker. No matter on which basis. The only category Bargs wins against Parker is lenght.
That's not the only category, but yes, no way AB is ahead of Parker. I love AB, but Parker is top 6 PG....
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That's not the only category, but yes, no way AB is ahead of Parker. I love AB, but Parker is top 6 PG....
Yep. And thats not hate on Bargs. I actually like him and hope he will develop into consistent guy that will average 20+ and 7. But Parker is on another level. Maybe, just maybe, Bargs can have a better career, but so far Parker is way ahead.
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Based on? Current level, career, or just likeability?

And no way is Bargs better than Parker. No matter on which basis. The only category Bargs wins against Parker is lenght.
Based on Potential, impact on their team, current level and maybe a bit of Likeability...
And TP is overrated IMO.

Like I wrote, this is my top 20, you can disagree... It's ok lol.
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Yep. And thats not hate on Bargs. I actually like him and hope he will develop into consistent guy that will average 20+ and 7. But Parker is on another level. Maybe, just maybe, Bargs can have a better career, but so far Parker is way ahead.
Well Bargnani is averaging 21 pts and 6 rbs per game... so that's close. Individually Bargnani will probably be the better player. I think Parker happened to be on the right team and fit perfectly in that system.

But yes, Parker is in another league career wise. Dude has several rings and is on one of the most dominating teams in the last decade or so.

About this list, I'm curious what they meant specifically by international. Sometimes "international" players are referred to guys that didn't play college ball in the USA, even if they were born in another country. Tim Duncan, Hakeem Olajuwan weren't really considered international. If that was the case, guys like Gordon and Kleiza wouldn't be considered as international players either. Idk... prob not too important.
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And I have a question... Where is Noah ? Yeah, maybe you think he is a pure american product but he's got the French Nationality... He's on the top 10 IMO.
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