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jeffb 05-15-2014 10:49 PM

TJ Warren
 
NBA Draft.net has us picking this kid. Anyone know much about him? Sounds good and is compared to Caron Butler.

Draft Express has him going 16th to Chicago. http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/T.J.-Warren-6436/

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Strengths: Warren is a big time scorer and a guy with fantastic instincts for the game ... He works very hard on both ends of the floor and has a knack for finding openings in the defense to put the ball in the hoop, in other words, he’s very opportunistic ... This ties in with his offensive rebounding as well, he always seems to be in the right position ... He’s excellent in transition and runs the floor extremely well ... Works well both on and off the ball ... He can spot up and knock down jumpers from deep, he can set up his man and beat them via backdoor cuts or he can create for himself ... He has range from all over the floor, although he’s best from midrange, and is surprisingly comfortable handling the ball ... Lost some weight and looks more athletic this year ... Will overpower lesser athletes around the basket playing bully ball ... He is becoming more of a wing from a skill standpoint ... Defensively he puts forth a great effort, and rebounds very well.
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Weaknesses: The obvious weakness is that he doesn’t have a defined position ... He lacks athleticism at the wing, and he’s small for a post player with short arms ... Regardless of where he plays he’s going to be at an athletic disadvantage due to poor lateral quickness and being a less athletic player ... After shooting excellent from deep as a freshman, he has struggled from 3 this season, though his numbers have picked up as the season has progressed ...

Overall: Warren has responded very well to his expanded role for the Wolfpack this year ... He worked very hard to get better and you can tell with his improved offensive game and athleticism. If the trend continues he could be a valuable player down the line ... Where he stands now he should probably go in the mid to late 1st where he would be a valuable scorer off the bench with starting potential down the road ...
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Notes: Measured 6'8.5 (in shoes) 231 lbs, with a 6'9.5 wingspan at the 2013 Kevin Durant Skills Academy... Was 3rd in the Nation in scoring as a sophomore (24 ppg) shooting over 50% from the field ...



TJ Warren | NBADraft.net

fantapoppa 05-16-2014 12:07 AM

interesting prospect, never heard about him till now.

Can't really predict any draft class outside top 10, there's just too many variables.
One things for sure though, this draft class is loaded and very deep. A lot of guys going late in the first round would be lottery picks in most drafts.
There's no superstar Durant pick, but there's a lot of serviceable players that will have NBA careers this year.

Those 2nd rounders might turn out to be gems too

Alex 05-16-2014 12:16 AM

Reminds me of Jabari

0nekhmer 05-16-2014 12:50 AM

interesting skillset, I've heard his name somewhere before a long time ago.

DanH 05-16-2014 06:53 AM

Really hope we avoid him.

Chiggmo 05-16-2014 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DanH (Post 897922)
Really hope we avoid him.

Any particular reason why?

Bankiz 05-16-2014 08:20 AM

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The obvious weakness is that he doesn’t have a defined position ... He lacks athleticism at the wing, and he’s small for a post player with short arms ... Regardless of where he plays he’s going to be at an athletic disadvantage due to poor lateral quickness and being a less athletic player ...
maybe that enough to not wnt him.
we need a guy whom can defend, especially now that we have re-sign Casey for 3 yrs !

honestly Jerami Grant would fit perfectly here.

DanH 05-16-2014 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiggmo (Post 897926)
Any particular reason why?

Not really great at anything, questionable defensively, especially with him being a tweener. There are just a lot more interesting prospects to me.

Torontosaurus 05-16-2014 10:47 AM

He's a good prospect at 6'8,can shoot the 3 fairly well, I like his speed, rebounding and finishing ability. Lots of tools and nice clean slate for Casey to work with..

jeffb 05-16-2014 10:51 AM

Very good shooter/scorer plus Defensively he puts forth a great effort, and rebounds very well. At #20 imo he'd be as good a choice as any.

DocHoliday99 05-16-2014 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Torontosaurus (Post 897942)
He's a good prospect at 6'8,can shoot the 3 fairly well, I like his speed, rebounding and finishing ability. Lots of tools and nice clean slate for Casey to work with..

Grant imo is a better prospect with a potential higher ceiling on defensive - way more athletic than Warren and of course has a wingspan that's 5" longer...Really would like this fellow and it would be nice to have an SF with a decent wingspan. Warren' physical features remind me of DD's...

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Grants Strengths: Impressive physical specimen of a forward ... Has a huge wingspan (7'2"), making him a potential terror on the defensive end ... Great all-around athlete ... His combination of size and length help him to simply overpower and out athleticism smaller wing forwards ... Fantastic shot-blocking wing player ... Can guard multiple positions thanks to his length and lateral quickness ... Good offensive rebounder who can produce a lot of second-chance buckets ... Equally comfortable driving to his right or his left ... Decent shooter from out to beyond the 3pt. arc ... Unselfish player with good court awareness who makes the extra pass ... Capable of rebounding the ball and then running the fast break himself...Has a lot of raw physical tools and a decent skill set at age 19, making him a guy with a lot of upside ...

jeffb 05-16-2014 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DocHoliday99 (Post 897944)
Grant imo is a better prospect with a potential higher ceiling on defensive - way more athletic than Warren and of course has a wingspan that's 5" longer...Really would like this fellow and it would be nice to have an SF with a decent wingspan. Warren' physical features remind me of DD's...

Raw, 56 FT%, not a good shooter, rail thin. Not sure we want a project at this point.

DocHoliday99 05-16-2014 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 897945)
He is really skinny, and is a 56 FT% shooter. And he's apparently very raw. Do we want another project?

And Warren is not? Remember, these scouting reports off of NBAdraft is a fair bit older. Warren has limitations as well.

I would suspect though that MU could take either but probably wants more of a vet at the 3 that would get minutes over whomever is picked this year.

DocHoliday99 05-16-2014 11:05 AM

Over a number of these guys, I still believe McGary will be a steal if he's taken in the second round. Would have been mid first or better if he had been able to stay in college this coming year.

jeffb 05-16-2014 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DocHoliday99 (Post 897947)
And Warren is not? Remember, these scouting reports off of NBAdraft is a fair bit older. Warren has limitations as well.

I would suspect though that MU could take either but probably wants more of a vet at the 3 that would get minutes over whomever is picked this year.

Pretty much every player coming into the NBA has some limitations. But Warren is a scorer, can rebound well and gives good effort defensively (which sounds to me that he's coachable). Not sure how accurate all this is anyway but going by that I think I'd prefer Warren. Ultimately Rodney Hood might be who we want but he'll likely be gone.

Wictory 05-16-2014 11:12 AM

Mind you, there might be a trade on draft day where MU might look to give away some picks to acquire that needed c or sf. I don't see him trading up in this draft as it would be too costly

DocHoliday99 05-16-2014 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 897950)
Pretty much every player coming into the NBA has some limitations. But Warren is a scorer, can rebound well and gives good effort defensively (which sounds to me that he's coachable). Not sure how accurate all this is anyway but going by that I think I'd prefer Warren. Ultimately Rodney Hood might be who we want but he'll likely be gone.

That was my point.

I like Grant because he's far more athletic and faster, better built for the NBA as a defensive presence than Warren (his wingspan is now at 7'2-3/4" as he's still growing it seems), is barely 19 so he will put on weight (already up to 214) and Grant can shoot the 3, slash and post up. Not a bad way to start.

DanH 05-16-2014 11:20 AM

Ugh, Hood is even worse defensively than Warren. No thanks there either.

xplode 05-16-2014 12:11 PM

@#20
Scoring
Hood>>Warren=McDaniels

Defense
McDaniels>>Warren>>Hood

I'll take McDaniels. I'll take Payne over Warren anyway

@#37 Jarnell Stokes really intrigue me he finish the season with 22 double double next to Randle's 24 dd's they actually have same stats 15ppg and 10.5rebs for Stokes and 15ppg and 10.4rebs for Randle. Basically we will be getting a top 10 player at the second round (hypothetically). Randle is a freshman at 19yrs old and Stokes is a Junior at 20yrs old but the age difference is only 11months

@#59 Ejim or Powell (if available) or Bachynski - time to add some Canadian

DocHoliday99 05-16-2014 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by xplode (Post 897962)
@#20
Scoring
Hood>>Warren=McDaniels

Defense
McDaniels>>Warren>>Hood

I'll take McDaniels. I'll take Payne over Warren anyway

I'd take Grant over Hood, Warren and McDaniels. Payne is a PF but in the NBA I think he's going to become a tweener. I do like him as a stretch 4 though.

Scoring
Hood>>Grant=Warren>>McDaniels

Defense
McDaniels>=Grant>>Warren>>Hood


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