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Old 05-17-2014, 12:02 AM   #41 (permalink)
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From doug smith....

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In a bunch of conversations with the Raptors types and those who know Raptors types, it’s apparent they have a pretty good idea now who might be on a list for the 20th pick and very little that goes on here will change that.

The most interesting thing? I’m told they are concentrating as much on finding some gem with a second round pick than they are with finding someone at 20. At 20, they are convinced one of the guys they want, someone who can help but the need to add depth and find a sleeper with the 37th selection is hugely important to them.

Is the 37th guy at the combine? I doubt it. I would imagine he’s in Russia or Europe or Africa or somewhere else, a guy who might slide past a bunch of teams but someone who’s ready to make a roster and play a few minutes right away.
The 20th pick is in Chicago, no question about it but no one’s even sniffing about the names on the list at the moment.

But that’s not really what we’re in Chicago for; there are 30 general managers here to chat up, countless scouts and assistants and front office personnel and for them and for us it’s the conversations that provide information that may prove valuable in a month or two that are the best.
http://www.thestar.com/sports/doug_s...orts_blog.html

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Old 05-17-2014, 12:43 AM   #42 (permalink)
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since ujiri is our GM, im confident with whomever he picks
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Old 05-17-2014, 01:33 AM   #43 (permalink)
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if kyle anderson continues to fall, then draft him at 20.
not a great defender but seems to me a solid offensive mindset SF with a leadership on and off the court off the chart.

after that Ennis at pg seems in our range.
Grant at SF is maybe raw with a lot of potential and the size. and he is one of the best defender in that class.
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Old 05-17-2014, 09:59 AM   #44 (permalink)
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if kyle anderson continues to fall, then draft him at 20.
not a great defender but seems to me a solid offensive mindset SF with a leadership on and off the court off the chart.

after that Ennis at pg seems in our range.
Grant at SF is maybe raw with a lot of potential and the size. and he is one of the best defender in that class.
Offensively Anderson makes some sense but the teams inability to make stops from opposing wings cost the team a trip to the second round. I would think any player drafted would need to be defensive minded or at the very least have the physical attributes of a defensive player. Looking at some of the players MU brought in to Denver: Chandler, McGee, Faried, Vesely, Randolph, Mozgov, AI etc long arms, play defence first, team mentality. I quite like Grant for that reason. Anderson certainly has the physical attributes but boy is he slow laterally- I think he'll have trouble defending faster guards and wings in the NBA

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Old 05-17-2014, 03:47 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Old 05-17-2014, 03:50 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Why do you disagree? Napier's tournament carried him higher, but he's no more than a back up PG in the league and should be a 2nd round pick.

Zach LaVine (whose stock has fallen quite a bit) is still my favourite pick in this draft and would be a nice steal at our number. High upside, wouldn't need to be a contributor right away, has that ability to be a high scoring combo guard who one day may be the replacement for Kyle Lowry or allows a potential move of DeRozan or Ross. At our number in the draft, I'd want a specialist in one role and Stauskas is the other guy I would go after.

Saric I'm high on too, but I think he's gone when we pick and if we want to go you Josuf Nurkic would be a nice stash piece and really help solidify our 5 spot in a few years.
Yep wouldn't mind any of these guys
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Old 05-17-2014, 07:49 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Doug is Doug. Separate of that, don't be surprised if we move up or acquire more picks in the late first round/early second round, I think this is the last year we can afford to draft players who will be expected to develop with this core going forward. Not to mention that the overall quality of this draft will be felt through the first 40 picks if it is indeed as deep as predicted.
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Old 05-17-2014, 07:52 PM   #48 (permalink)
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Doug is Doug. Separate of that, don't be surprised if we move up or acquire more picks in the late first round/early second round, I think this is the last year we can afford to draft players who will be expected to develop with this core going forward. Not to mention that the overall quality of this draft will be felt through the first 40 picks if it is indeed as deep as predicted.
I could see us trying to acquire a late lottery pick and package it with ours to get something bigger done. It's probably going to be too costly but I could see us trying.
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Old 05-17-2014, 09:48 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Masai had a great pickup at 22(Kenneth faried), 20(Evan fournier) and a 2nd rounder Quincy Miller. If this draft is as loaded as it sounds, I'm sure masai will get a quality player
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Old 05-17-2014, 10:00 PM   #50 (permalink)
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Masai had a great pickup at 22(Kenneth faried), 20(Evan fournier) and a 2nd rounder Quincy Miller. If this draft is as loaded as it sounds, I'm sure masai will get a quality player
I also think the team he has around him is good as well. Jeff Weltman has a decent track record if I'm not mistaken.

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Old 05-17-2014, 10:30 PM   #51 (permalink)
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McGary would be awesome. I recall him being top 10 in a couple mock drafts after Michigan won it all.
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Old 05-17-2014, 10:41 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Napier would be an awful pick. LaVine at least is a crazy athlete with loads of potential - although he's another 1-2 tweener who doesn't really have the ball handling skills for PG.

I think is shabazz napier is very underrated on many draft boards.
On many draft years he would be a mid lottery pick, currently out shined by all the freshmen in this draft class (being a senior).

There are many point guards in the past that have their stock dropped for always the same criticisms:
- too small to defend NBA point guards
- too ball dominant, not a true point
- lack of explosive athleticism

But there have always been guards that find good careers without wowing you with those traits

He does bring a few things that can benefit an NBA team right away (even if not for the raptors)
- consistent outside shooting
- good passer and good IQ. Can run an offense
- decent handles & change of speeds on dribble
- championship experience
- ability to perform under pressure (make shots when it matters most)
- solid rebounder for his height (avg 5.9reb for a point guard)
- ability to play passing lanes & make plays in the open court

I would argue he would be as productive as current Vasquez if he was drafted in the NBA today, while having an amazing contract at the 20th pick (something like 1 mill / year @ 4 years?)

Example of what im talking about:


To put this into context, florida gators were one of the top defensive teams in the NCAA and had no answer for guarding him

a 6-1 PG in 2014 these were his stats:
averaging: 18ppg 5.9rbs 4.9ast 1.8stls
shooting: 43% fg%, 40.5% 3pt, 87% FT%
advanced: 591 TS% 0.226 WS/40 PER 25.5

2014 NCAA most outstanding player,
Bob Cousy Point Guard of the Year 2014 award winner
AAC Player of the Year 2014,
two time NCAA champion

honestly could be a steal in late mid to late first round.
As I mentioned, if Masai is staying true to drafting best player/talent available rather than for need, he will take a look at a guy like this



Lavine also has tremendous upside, but at 19 years old you're not asking him to be productive for the first couple seasons of his career. If you have the patience to wait 3 to 4 years he could turn out pretty good, but don't see the Raptors taking this direction as we are already developing Ross at the wing position.

Since we're probably going to get a SF someway or another, Ross may end up being our 3+D off the bench for Demar which would put Lavine as our 3rd or 4th wing in the rotation.
Not a great way to develop a 19 year old.
(and judging from casey's love for veteran swingmen, ala salmons & anderson, a Zach Lavine may end up buried in the bench as the 5th wing in the roster)
You could put him in as a combo guard, but he's severely under developed as a facilitator, and hasn't proven he can run an offense. He's ideally a SG at 6'5, same position as Demar & Ross.
But like I said before, can never have enough young talent on a roster. He seems to be impressing folks at the 2014 draft combine, and probably has increased his stock past two days

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Old 05-17-2014, 10:44 PM   #53 (permalink)
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I think at #20 (if we stay there) we're looking at:

Anderson
Grant
Payne
Warren
Payton
Daniels


Unless someone else falls down which always seems to happen.
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Old 05-18-2014, 12:44 AM   #54 (permalink)
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Kyle Anderson is a nice prospect, there's a lot of scouts interested in him though.
Would be a steal if he drops to us but the chance that 19 teams pass on him though is kinda slim.
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Old 05-18-2014, 12:48 AM   #55 (permalink)
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Kyle Anderson is a nice prospect, there's a lot of scouts interested in him though.
Would be a steal if he drops to us but the chance that 19 teams pass on him though is kinda slim.
19? All we have to worry about is 3 or 4 imo.
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Old 05-18-2014, 01:11 AM   #56 (permalink)
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Mentioned Toronto as one of the teams he talked to which doesn't mean much at all cuz every team is talking to every player haha, but potential 2nd round pick?
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Old 05-18-2014, 01:22 AM   #57 (permalink)
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he mentioned us last, after brooklyn, that's no good.. pass

nice to see the staff @ work though in the combine
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Old 05-18-2014, 09:06 AM   #58 (permalink)
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TBH having a guy named Dinwiddie on the team would be awesome.

Toronto also interviewed Aaron Gordon so maybe they possibly trade up for someone

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Old 05-19-2014, 12:33 AM   #60 (permalink)
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if kyle anderson continues to fall, then draft him at 20.
not a great defender but seems to me a solid offensive mindset SF with a leadership on and off the court off the chart.

after that Ennis at pg seems in our range.
Grant at SF is maybe raw with a lot of potential and the size. and he is one of the best defender in that class.
The more I read and watch him the more I like him. If he fell he might be a steal. Still want McGary but I'm so intrigued with Thanasis.
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