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Old 05-16-2014, 01:25 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Ugh, Hood is even worse defensively than Warren. No thanks there either.
Not sure why you got thumbs down lol that's an accurate statement
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Old 05-16-2014, 01:37 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I'd take Grant over Hood, Warren and McDaniels. Payne is a PF but in the NBA I think he's going to become a tweener. I do like him as a stretch 4 though.

Scoring
Hood>>Grant=Warren>>McDaniels

Defense
McDaniels>=Grant>>Warren>>Hood
Grant doesn't have much of a mid range and 3pt game so i'm not really sure if he is of equal value compared to Warren and that far off from McDaniels, McDaniels has a better 3pt shooting among the 3. I agree that Warren has more scoring than McDaniels but I don't think its that far.

I know Payne is a PF what I'm trying to say is if it comes to picking and Warren and Payne is the only option I`ll take Payne
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I'm really inclined to think we need to draft a big athletic wing defender.
Offensive players are nice, they might get to touch the ball once in awhile and put up a couple points (not like the Raptors need anymore scoring with DD, KL giving you 40 pts a game, and we're looking to add more touches for JV & TR)

but high IQ defensive players can contribute their art everytime they step on the floor. We're really missing an athletic 6-8 wing player that can be assigned to defend the joe johnsons and lebrons in the league.
Players like Shane Battier, Luol Deng, Tony Allen, Andre Iguodala (even without the scoring ability) could do wonders for this roster.

There's quite a few options at the mid to late 1st round..
for example K.J. McDaniels (a bit short but great defensively)
Aaron Gordon (athletic lengthy 6-9)
Jerami Grant (great physical tools, but raw)

So many more prospects, time for the scouts to earn their pay cheques
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Grant doesn't have much of a mid range and 3pt game so i'm not really sure if he is of equal value compared to Warren and that far off from McDaniels, McDaniels has a better 3pt shooting among the 3. I agree that Warren has more scoring than McDaniels but I don't think its that far.

I know Payne is a PF what I'm trying to say is if it comes to picking and Warren and Payne is the only option I`ll take Payne
All opinion really, hard to see the translation to the NBA level yet. I do like Grant's and McDaniels height and length though Grant is superior to all.

As for McDaniels offensive game, it's horrible. His 3 point shot has gotten better however that's only when his feet are set - once you run him off the perimeter he's not the best and when he goes iso he tends to turn the ball over. He's much more of a work in progress than the other 3.

I like Payne a fair bit though if it came between the 2 I would take McGary
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Old 05-16-2014, 01:58 PM   #25 (permalink)
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There's quite a few options at the mid to late 1st round..
for example K.J. McDaniels (a bit short but great defensively)
Aaron Gordon (athletic lengthy 6-9)
Jerami Grant (great physical tools, but raw)
If Gordon is available at #20 that would be awesome

McDaniels and Grant might be more realistic
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Old 05-16-2014, 02:04 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I like Payne a fair bit though if it came between the 2 I would take McGary
McGary over Payne? But why?, explain please
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I'm really inclined to think we need to draft a big athletic wing defender.
Offensive players are nice, they might get to touch the ball once in awhile and put up a couple points (not like the Raptors need anymore scoring with DD, KL giving you 40 pts a game, and we're looking to add more touches for JV & TR)

but high IQ defensive players can contribute their art everytime they step on the floor. We're really missing an athletic 6-8 wing player that can be assigned to defend the joe johnsons and lebrons in the league.
Players like Shane Battier, Luol Deng, Tony Allen, Andre Iguodala (even without the scoring ability) could do wonders for this roster.

There's quite a few options at the mid to late 1st round..
for example K.J. McDaniels (a bit short but great defensively)
Aaron Gordon (athletic lengthy 6-9)
Jerami Grant (great physical tools, but raw)

So many more prospects, time for the scouts to earn their pay cheques
McDaniels has little offensive ability though I read in the profile he's either going to turn into a Tony Allen type player OR the team that draft's him may turn into 4 on 5 on offense....
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Kyle Anderson. Was a PG in college, but projected as SF in the NBA.

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McGary over Payne? But why?, explain please
I've watched him play a couple of times and this is his profile....the dude loves contact and banging in the paint, chases rebounds and a good passer out of the post. Really, bigs with legit size that hustle and high IQ - rare imo and definitely more so in recent years. Look at all the multitude of teams this year that could have used a big - including the Raps. He reminds me a bit of Noah coming out of Florida - good defense and a high motor and brings an edge to the floor. If not for the marijuana then McGary would probably be a mid first or better next year.

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A bigman who is quick for his size ... Possesses a high basketball IQ and can do damage offensively as a playmaker ... Not explosive vertically but moves well laterally with good control ... Willing to do the dirty work; hustles and seeks "garbage bucket" opportunities ... Solid finisher around the rim with crafty post moves ... A willing passer out of the post ... Combined with his soft hands, should have the ability to develop go-to back-to-basket moves long term ... At 6'10" 255 lbs. has an adequate 7' wingspan, and a very surprising 8'11.5 standing reach, giving him legitimate center size ... Very physical and uses size and strength to his advantage... Can tire out opponents the way he constantly throws his weight around... Appears to be a team player. Practices with a positive attitude. This bodes well for him fitting in as a role player in the NBA... Plays with passion and aggressiveness... Still has room for improvement, but did up his free throw percentage from 44% to 68% (although in limited attempts) from freshman to sophomore seasons... Through eight games in his sophomore season, averaged 8.3 boards in just 24.8 minutes... Offensively plays within himself; does not turn the ball over at a high rate (1.2 TO in 20 mpg as a freshman and 1.6 TO in 25 mpg as a sophomore) and takes high percentage shots (60% and 55% during his freshman and sophomore seasons, respectively)...
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Not really great at anything, questionable defensively, especially with him being a tweener. There are just a lot more interesting prospects to me.
Agree. Hate tweeners. You can be wrong on them sometimes, but more often than not they don't pan out. just risky is all.

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I like Aran Smiths 100 better for no other reasons but hes got Stauskas slipping to us and Ennis and Grant close! Someone always slips in the draft. I would like it to be one of these guys.

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Old 05-16-2014, 03:00 PM   #31 (permalink)
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what is a tweener actually I mean is Josh Smith a tweener
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Old 05-16-2014, 03:06 PM   #32 (permalink)
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If Masai stays true to drafting BPA & most upside rather than drafting for need, he might take a look a guy like Shabazz Napier or even Zach Lavine.

Lots of potential there even though its not the best fit for us, however you can never have too much young talent on a roster.

Lavine's stock has really dropped, but you can't deny his athleticism & shooting ability
(at the age of 19 too).

Anyone got an opinion on DeAndre Daniels?
maybe a sleeper?


p.s. Vasilje Micic is a late first rounder projected as the next Jose Calderon

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Napier would be an awful pick. LaVine at least is a crazy athlete with loads of potential - although he's another 1-2 tweener who doesn't really have the ball handling skills for PG.
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Can we use a 2nd rounder on Thanasis Antetokounmpo ??? - he's showing a nice all around game in the D-league, seems freak athlete runs in his family (not to mention he's 6'6" w/ a 7' WS) and if he's anything like his brother Giannis (that MU tried to move up to get in the draft), might be a nice little coup.

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Old 05-16-2014, 08:41 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Napier would be an awful pick.
wow do I ever disagree with this. each to their own. pretty sure he's gone long before we pick.
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wow do I ever disagree with this. each to their own. pretty sure he's gone long before we pick.
Why do you disagree? Napier's tournament carried him higher, but he's no more than a back up PG in the league and should be a 2nd round pick.

Zach LaVine (whose stock has fallen quite a bit) is still my favourite pick in this draft and would be a nice steal at our number. High upside, wouldn't need to be a contributor right away, has that ability to be a high scoring combo guard who one day may be the replacement for Kyle Lowry or allows a potential move of DeRozan or Ross. At our number in the draft, I'd want a specialist in one role and Stauskas is the other guy I would go after.

Saric I'm high on too, but I think he's gone when we pick and if we want to go you Josuf Nurkic would be a nice stash piece and really help solidify our 5 spot in a few years.
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Old 05-16-2014, 11:37 PM   #39 (permalink)
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I like nuric but I feel Kristaps Porzingis has better potential. Both these should be drafted in 2nd round, raps need a guy who can contribute now if they want to improve. One of these 2 can be groomed into becoming Jonas's backup
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Porzingis has scary Bargs vibes.
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