Time to stand up for Chris
Old 01-13-2009, 12:24 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Seriously, i bash ppl all the time. I have alot of emotion invested in this team so it hurts to see a dyfunctional member hurt our chances with lack of effort, lack of heart or lack of talent. Honestly the most acceptable excuse is lack of talent, you can only do what is possible for you, sometimes ppl are flat our better then you. That's why i had a particular distaste for AB for awhile, he seemed disinterested for whatever reason and i find it unbearable. He is currently making many ppl eat crow and im happy to see it, even tho im partaking in the meal probably at or near the head of the table. As for Chris, he plays hard, he is undeniably one of the best PFs in the league and a consistent scorer and threat that always gets alot of attention by the opposing team. He isnt the type of guy to take over many games himself, most PFs arent. He goes in strong and goes to the line, i havent looked it up lately but i know its in the top 10 in the league, the ENTIRE league. Does everybody think thats just jumpers he is getting fouled on? He goes inside, he takes abuse, he hustles hard and he has shown this franchise nothing but respect since he came here. He may not be Karl Malone tough, but he is a top PF in this league, more then most teams can say, many dont have a top player at any position, we need to build on Chris, add a score close to or better then him, which its looking like AB can be. If AB stays more consistent and draws more attention, watch Chris get easier looks and life will be better. We still are in dire need of a slasher, it would be so great if we could possibly get one before Calderon comes back (hint, hint).

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- Give Chris a break, he is our best player, regardless of a few poor games
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Old 01-13-2009, 12:28 AM   #2 (permalink)
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He's fallen in love with the jumpshot..
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Old 01-13-2009, 12:31 AM   #3 (permalink)
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He's fallen in love with the jumpshot..
And why not, his jumper has always been $, its one of the best $ jumpers in the league. Most PFs have a jumper they rely heavily on, it's not like he still doesnt get to the rim, but ppl are disappointed when he cant get to the rim consistently on the reigning Defensive Player Of The Year and probably one of the best defenders all time, along with the fact he gets doubled alot and gets the majority of the teams attention.

Does anybody not believe Chris makes AB's life 10x easier, until AB becomes consistent (and lately he has been) and draws more attention, then Chris' life will be easier, and dammit, he deserves that.
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Greatest post you have ever written! Best I have seen in a while in general.
Couldn't have said it better myself, and I want to hear what CB4 bashers have to say.
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Old 01-13-2009, 12:32 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Time and again, Chris Bosh has failed in every game involving a good team. I give him a chance to redeem himself every time, though, and he never comes through. He may try hard, but the guy is a pussy. It's that simple. He'll never be the kind of franchise player that wins in the playoffs. Trade him before he leaves in 2010 and we'll all be better off.
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Old 01-13-2009, 12:33 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Chris is a really good player. But with his ability, screw the jumpshots. His bread and butter was the drive, and draw a foul move. Now he's jacking up 3s like Nowitzki.
He can do better..He should be doing what he did to Glen Davis tonight every possession.
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Old 01-13-2009, 12:34 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I love CB4, he is an excellent players ... Raptors fans who hates him are ignorant, CB4 is the one who carries this team on his shoulders and give Raptors a change to win. He is human and makes mistakes, all opposite defense plans are focused on him, still he plays very hard.
Yes, Andrea played quite well tonight, as a matter of fact he plays very well since JO went down, but still CB4 is the one who scouts marks as "dangerous".
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He's fallen in love with the jumpshot..
I find it absolutely HILARIOUS when people say he's in love with his jumper, and that's all he does.

He must be playing against a bunch of idiots who foul on jumpshots to be averaging 9 trips to the line each game, which is 5th in the league, and also best among all forwards (FORWARDS! INCLUDING SF AND PF, INCLUDING BETTER THAN LEBRON JAMES AND WHOEVER THE HELL ELSE YOU WANT TO INCLUDE).
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Oh and to correct something. Bosh is a really good offensive player. That's it (and he really only comes through agaisnt bad teams. That's only one aspect of basketball. Unlike Bargnani, Chris' defense is completely non-existant.
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He can do better..He should be doing what he did to Glen Davis tonight every possession.
Too bad Garnett is no Glen Davis. Let's see ANYONE do that against Garnett
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And why not, his jumper has always been $, its one of the best $ jumpers in the league. Most PFs have a jumper they rely heavily on, it's not like he still doesnt get to the rim, but ppl are disappointed when he cant get to the rim consistently on the reigning Defensive Player Of The Year and probably one of the best defenders all time, along with the fact he gets doubled alot and gets the majority of the teams attention.

Does anybody not believe Chris makes AB's life 10x easier, until AB becomes consistent (and lately he has been) and draws more attention, then Chris' life will be easier, and dammit, he deserves that.
Backwards.

I've noticed too many times when Bosh is in the game and hacking up his bricks, Bargnani is wondering WTF he's doing. Then when Bosh goes out, Bargnani gets hot, our team starts playing better and we go on a run.

So much hype about Bosh's stats. I wish someone compiled stats during the time when the game is on the line or in the 4th. Bosh would have one of the worst rankings in the league. We force feed Bosh and he get's his stats, that simple.
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Old 01-13-2009, 12:38 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Too bad Garnett is no Glen Davis. Let's see ANYONE do that against Garnett
If Bosh wants to be a MVP/a Hall of Famer likes he says he wants to be, players like KG are the guys he has to beat.

If Bosh wants to win a championship, he's going to have to beat KG.

There is no fucking way around this, and he just can't do it.
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Oh and to correct something. Bosh is a really good offensive player. That's it (and he really only comes through agaisnt bad teams. That's only one aspect of basketball. Unlike Bargnani, Chris' defense is completely non-existant.
Well it's extremely difficult to come through against defenses that are SET UP JUST TO STOP you, and you alone... b/c your supporting cast is HORRENDOUS and poses ZERO threat.

Chris Bosh is not Kobe Bryant, or Lebron James.
CB4 is CB4, not a superduperstar... just a perennial allstar playing with a horrible supporting cast.
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Old 01-13-2009, 12:40 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Jump, some people here are new to the game. they believe that lay-ups, dunks, drives, foul shots are all considered jump shots since he's jumping and shooting the ball.

people like dogbert, who don't see the constant beating chris takes every game just need to be ignored. he's far from a pussy. he just doesn't understand that even garnett, duncan, shaq, big big and bigger don't get the ball at the end of the game.
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Old 01-13-2009, 12:41 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Im not trying to claim Chris is the best player in the league, but the fact is, he is a proven commodity, a perenial allstar or close to it, a member of the best international team in the world, unless everybody in basketball is totally ******ed, he is very widely considered one of the best PFs in the league. Why are some ppl so quick to put enormous amounts of faith in unproven commoditys such as Jose and AB, yet are quick to jump on Chris' back when its very obvious, the kid has game, he has gotten better every year in the league and there's no reason to believe that is going to change, he is a hard worker, if his toughness is an issue, surround him with a few players that are tought, that's a GMs job. If we have all this cap room and are able to get say a Joe Johnson here, watch what Bosh does, he isnt greedy, he isnt selfish, he knows we need the slasher. He has gone most of his career without a legit NBA 2nd option, unless you considered Parker legit. AB is looking to be the guy, but thats too early to say. I dont see any reason he wont continue to get better, and ppl will be damn happy when he stays here (yea, i said it, Chris WILL stay here).
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hey guys Iam new here, but Ive been reading this forums post for a while now, and after tonight's game I decided to share my opinion, especially about Chris Bosh,

I don't think we should trade him and I don't want to exaggerate, but tonight I felt like he let his team down, it seemed like almost everyone stepped up but when it came down to it Chris Bosh couldn't deliver tonight.

1 moment I want to talk about, I believe it was the third quarter right after the Celtics took the lead, Chris Bosh has Big Baby Davis on him and he does not drive it.

next possession he drives it at Davis and gets fouled

possession after that he decides to take another Jump Shot while Davis was on him.

Now I know some people say you have to read the defense, but in all those cases KG was not in the game and there was no significant shot blockers and they were not crowding the paint, so I believe he made more than 1 bad decision in that game, and it cost us.

Another thing is late in the game, they draw up plays for Chris Bosh but I think they should draw back up plays because the majority of the shot clock was wasted just waiting for CB4 to get post position but we all knew it wasn't going to happen.

I think CB4 is a very good player, but he needs to give a little extra for his team and tonight he didn't on the offensive end

although he did have that nice tap to set up the overtime shot.
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nice post ace. couldn't agree more. welcome to rf!
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If Bosh wants to be a MVP/a Hall of Famer likes he says he wants to be, players like KG are the guys he has to beat.

If Bosh wants to win a championship, he's going to have to beat KG.

There is no fucking way around this, and he just can't do it.
Well kill the man for setting his aspirations a little higher than you would like..

We all wanted to be doctors, firemans, lawyers, when we were children.. does that mean that almost all of us deserve to be lambasted because we didn't quite meet our expectations of ourselves? Hell, Bosh has a way better chance to become a HOF than all these little kids who want to be doctors, lawyers, presidents, and multi-millionaires.
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Well it's extremely difficult to come through against defenses that are SET UP JUST TO STOP you, and you alone... b/c your supporting cast is HORRENDOUS and poses ZERO threat.
Chris Bosh is talented enough to beat anybody off the dribble in the NBA. And yes, that includes Kevin Garnett.

I recognize that he's doubled at times....but that only makes him look worse. How many assists did he have out of those double teams? 1? Chris Bosh has terrible court vision.

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Chris Bosh is not Kobe Bryant, or Lebron James.
CB4 is CB4, not a superduperstar... just a perennial allstar playing with a horrible supporting cast.
If he can't be better than this, the Raptors aren't going to win a championship with him. Pretty simple. He projects as a good #2 option.
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Well kill the man for setting his aspirations a little higher than you would like..
Having high aspirations is great, especially when you are as talented as Bosh. You just have to back up your words with your play, something Chris Bosh can't do.

Face it, to be the best, you have to beat the best. NO EXCUSES.
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