Time to put the kibosh on Bosh's tenure as Raptors leader
Old 11-13-2009, 09:58 AM   #1 (permalink)
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With very little playoff success as a franchise, the Toronto Raptors have effectively done a better job driving their best players out of town than keeping them happy on this side of the border.

With one year left in Chris Bosh’s contract, it is time for Raptors fans to start considering whether their resident all-star is in for the long haul in Toronto if the team doesn’t make a major turnaround soon.

When the Raptors switched from high-risk and high-flying Vince Carter to the unflashy, but sturdy Bosh as their leader in 2004, it was a major strategic change which re-shaped the organization.

Admittedly, Carter wanted out of Canada’s lone franchise because he lacked faith in where the team was headed. But it was widely accepted that Bosh was ready to handle the responsibility.

Now, after five seasons with Bosh as the go-to guy, the Raptors have little tangible success to show for it.

The most telling stat for a superstar is how they play when it counts. Constantly hailed as a “superstar,” Bosh has yet to lead his team to a playoff series victory and has struggled in the post-season.

At the end of the 2006-07 season, when the Raptors won the Atlantic Division, Bosh had the chance to shine in the playoffs.

Coming off career highs in points and rebounds, many believed this would be Toronto’s year.

It’s amazing how much can change in such a short time.

The Raptors lost in six games and Bosh was outdueled by the other teams’ leader – ironically enough, former teammate Carter.

Carter averaged 25 points per game and outshined Bosh entirely in the series, as the young Raptor leader averaged only 17.5 points per game – five below his season average – and only nine rebounds per game – two below his regular season average.

It started unraveling there.

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Old 11-13-2009, 10:23 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I'm not sure if this guy has watched any Raps games yet this year, but the facts he's using to make his argument are old news.
The way CB4 has been lighting it up this season, not just statistically, but the way he's been playing has finally demonstrated some leadership abilities.
Surprisingly enough, Chris has been the man among the pansies so far.
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Old 11-13-2009, 10:26 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Well its easy to say that on paper. The Raptors have been pretty average to below average with Bosh at the helm. However; with all the guarenteed contracts surrounding him what else are you going to do?

I'd love to know
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Old 11-13-2009, 10:57 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Well I'm all for being fair and living in reality, but this article is ridiculous. This thread should just get deleted, no use wasting all of our time on something thats simply inaccurate and boring.

I feel bad that Acie, DVS and I actually read it, we deserve more.

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Old 11-13-2009, 11:02 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I'm not sure if this guy has watched any Raps games yet this year, but the facts he's using to make his argument are old news.
The way CB4 has been lighting it up this season, not just statistically, but the way he's been playing has finally demonstrated some leadership abilities.
Surprisingly enough, Chris has been the man among the pansies so far.
Agreed.
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Old 11-13-2009, 11:09 AM   #6 (permalink)
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This must have been written by one of the kids on this forum.
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Old 11-13-2009, 11:34 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I'm not sure if this guy has watched any Raps games yet this year, but the facts he's using to make his argument are old news.
The way CB4 has been lighting it up this season, not just statistically, but the way he's been playing has finally demonstrated some leadership abilities.
Surprisingly enough, Chris has been the man among the pansies so far.
Very well put. He was nothing short of amazing against the Bulls the other night. We would of lost by a large margin had he not asserted himself. He's starting to look like a player that we can absolutely not, do without. I'm all for paying him the max if he shows repeatedly what he did against Chicago and for the most part, most of this season. He and Calderon were the only ones who really bothered to show up Wed night.
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Old 11-13-2009, 12:18 PM   #8 (permalink)
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blah blah blah... same ol crap getting written about the Raps. Tell me something I haven't heard yet.
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Old 11-13-2009, 12:20 PM   #9 (permalink)
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blah blah blah... same ol crap getting written about the Raps. Tell me something I haven't heard yet.
stop reading about them and stop hanging around here for about a month. I'm sure they'll be something you haven't heard yet then


For now get used to it
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Old 11-13-2009, 12:51 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Oh i'm used to it, hence my attitude...doesn't mean i can't express it now and then
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Old 11-13-2009, 01:54 PM   #11 (permalink)
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bosh is the only reason the Raptors can accumulate wins. he would need one hell of a replacement
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Old 11-13-2009, 02:25 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I'm not sure if this guy has watched any Raps games yet this year, but the facts he's using to make his argument are old news.
The way CB4 has been lighting it up this season, not just statistically, but the way he's been playing has finally demonstrated some leadership abilities.
Surprisingly enough, Chris has been the man among the pansies so far.
Bosh got off to a fast start last season and then flopped. We can call this writer an idiot all we like but its not going to take away the fact that he's right about Bosh never leading the Raptors in winning a playoffs series and he's right about the fact that Bosh has stunk in each playoff series.

Let's see if he can carry this team to the playoffs and then lets see if he can do anything there because I haven't seen much more then mediocre performances in the playoffs from him.
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Old 11-13-2009, 02:30 PM   #13 (permalink)
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i think the playoff thing is entirely a factor of a young player with no supporting cast asked to do way too much. i can't blame that on chris.
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Bosh got off to a fast start last season and then flopped. We can call this writer an idiot all we like but its not going to take away the fact that he's right about Bosh never leading the Raptors in winning a playoffs series and he's right about the fact that Bosh has stunk in each playoff series.

Let's see if he can carry this team to the playoffs and then lets see if he can do anything there because I haven't seen much more then mediocre performances in the playoffs from him.
Sure, Bosh hasn't been great in the playoffs. What else is new? My whole criticism of the article is that the guy is dismissing Bosh based on the past. I agree with those points, in fact I've pretty much led the "Bosh is a pussy" bandwagon the last 3 seasons. The dude could've wrote the article last year and it would still read the same.
My point is that Bosh "seems" to be a different player right now. Hopefully he keeps it up. Yes, I remember his great start last year as well, but he was still playing a soft game. He's not playing that way now. Credit where it's due.
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kidd was the leader of that nets team, not Carter , just for the record
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Old 11-13-2009, 04:31 PM   #16 (permalink)
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here's a little newsflash:

the reason why the Raptors haven't won anything is because MLSE is too fucking cheap to put together a good roster.

Every championship team goes over the luxury tax yet funny how the Raptors have never once.. and somehow it comes as a surprise we've never made it out the 2nd round

Look at the New Orleans Hornets, they have the best PG in the game bar-none yet they fucking suck cause of rest of the personnel
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here's a little newsflash:

the reason why the Raptors haven't won anything is because MLSE is too fucking cheap to put together a good roster.

Every championship team goes over the luxury tax yet funny how the Raptors have never once.. and somehow it comes as a surprise we've never made it out the 2nd round

Look at the New Orleans Hornets, they have the best PG in the game bar-none yet they fucking suck cause of rest of the personnel
I'm tired of this argument and hear it all the time. How do you know they won't go over the tax threshold? Were the Raptors ever at a point where they needed a player that would make them the difference to winning it all?


Haven't MLSE paid for an arena without gov't help AND paid upper management a fair wage?

I am not a huge fan of MLSE but this type of talk is just not right
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Sure, Bosh hasn't been great in the playoffs. What else is new? My whole criticism of the article is that the guy is dismissing Bosh based on the past. I agree with those points, in fact I've pretty much led the "Bosh is a pussy" bandwagon the last 3 seasons. The dude could've wrote the article last year and it would still read the same.
My point is that Bosh "seems" to be a different player right now. Hopefully he keeps it up. Yes, I remember his great start last year as well, but he was still playing a soft game. He's not playing that way now. Credit where it's due.
My point is that you can't cast aside the past because your view on the player has changed. Bosh's past history is valid now. He's the same person, only stronger. If he performs in the playoffs then I'll be satisfied, if not then its perfect timing to rethink this whole Chris Bosh idea.

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i think the playoff thing is entirely a factor of a young player with no supporting cast asked to do way too much. i can't blame that on chris.
If he's the leader and the offense runs through him and he gets credit for them being in the playoffs then I damn well sure can frustrated with his poor play on that level. I will be a skeptic of Chris Bosh until I see him perform in games that matter and I can blame Chris. He's the leader, he wants that role, he wants to be "the guy" and as such he's asking for it, just like he would love to have praise for leading his team to a victory.

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here's a little newsflash:

the reason why the Raptors haven't won anything is because MLSE is too fucking cheap to put together a good roster.

Every championship team goes over the luxury tax yet funny how the Raptors have never once.. and somehow it comes as a surprise we've never made it out the 2nd round

Look at the New Orleans Hornets, they have the best PG in the game bar-none yet they fucking suck cause of rest of the personnel

And thats why years from now, Toronto will still have a team. And guess what, a lot of other teams will not.
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Old 11-13-2009, 07:22 PM   #20 (permalink)
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here's a little newsflash:

the reason why the Raptors haven't won anything is because MLSE is too fucking cheap to put together a good roster.

Every championship team goes over the luxury tax yet funny how the Raptors have never once.. and somehow it comes as a surprise we've never made it out the 2nd round

Those teams don't go over the luxury tax unless they think it almost certainly puts them into the NBA finals. The fact is the Loafs and Raptors have never been in that position really. MLSE is nothing but cheap, not that bright...sure, but cheap?? Come on.
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