Time to look for a new HEAD COACH!
Old 04-24-2008, 01:08 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Time to look for a new HEAD COACH!

We need a new coach. That is the main problem with our team. I am fan of Sam but he doesn't have the experience to take us to the next level. Teams learn from the coach and coaches learn from teams and he doesn't seem to understand that are team is as soft as Vince Carter. You would swear VC was still on our team.

None of the last ten coaches of the year are still with there team except for
-Popovich (Won three Championships since he was coach of the year).
-Mike D'Antoni (Coached 2 time MVP Nash)

2006-07 - Sam Mitchell, Toronto
2005-06 - Avery Johnson, Dallas
2004-05 - Mike D'Antoni, Phoenix
2003-04 - Hubie Brown, Memphis
2002-03 - Gregg Popovich, San Antonio
2001-02 - Rick Carlisle, Detroit
2000-01 - Larry Brown, Philadelphia
1999-00 - Doc Rivers, Orlando
1998-99 - Mike Dunleavy, Portland
1997-98 - Larry Bird, Indiana

-Bird is a President now
-Mike Dunleavy stayed 2 more years after and left for the clips.
-Doc Rivers stayed in Orlando for 4 seasons and a little bit, never one a playoff series with Orlando.
-Larry Brown did well with Philly until he burnt them for Detroit and one a championship
-Rick Carlise did well but didn't stay in Detroit long and is not coaching this season
-Hubie stayed 3 seasons and had enough because the players today don't listen.
-Avery Johnson took his team to the finals when he won, following season out 1st round by eigth seed, and are getting destroyed by Chris Paul this year.
-Sam got out coached by Lawerence Frank last year and now Howard and the Magic are tying and breaking records on the Raptors.

How in the NBA do you let a guy get 20 & 20 back to back?
You have no faith in your team to keep your starting lineup?
Why change to match them? Doesn't have Moon be a better defender the Bargnani and advantage for us against their best offensive player?

And if you want to change the lineup you have two players that play the 3 postion that have won NBA CHAMPIONSHIPS in the last 5 years on your bench (Delfino and Kapono). Why wouldn't you start them?

I don't understand! It doesn't matter what they do they cannot win this series

To make it to the next level they have lose the Coach and get somebody who likes to rebound on both ends. Maybe play Humphries more in the mean time.
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Old 04-24-2008, 01:25 AM   #2 (permalink)
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We cant play Hump and Rasho in this series. Do you want to lose?

Nice 2nd post beside that though.

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Old 04-24-2008, 08:49 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I didn't get past Sam not realizing his team is soft and only two of the last ten COY's are still with their teams when he clearly listed four.

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I doubt very much Sam doens't realize his team is soft. Remember the now famous 'go get the ball' big man drill he used last year? He has been given a soft roster..what are you going to do?

All this blame Sam stuff is bs...even SJ admitted the man could talk basketball circles around any of us in a 1:1 conversation. He knows the game, he relates to players and he's gaining coaching experience. The plan was never to be a champ team right away..it's a multi-year journey and Sam is improving but at the end of the day his players have to go get the rebound, not make silly mistakes, make thier shots, keep their man in front of them etc... he cannot do it. He's not perfect but he gets far too much criticism when the team doens't win and not enough when they do.
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Not Smitch's fault that our players are soft. Look what the Wiz are doing. They're beating up on Lebron. They might be losing, but they're being really aggressive on him. We don't do that. Smitch can't lace them up and go out and be tough. Our problem is that we have a bunch of nice guys on our team, and as we all know, nice guys finish last. It's about time someone undercuts Turkoglu or put their foot out after a jump shot - like Bruce Bowen.
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Old 04-24-2008, 10:28 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I doubt very much Sam doens't realize his team is soft. Remember the now famous 'go get the ball' big man drill he used last year? He has been given a soft roster..what are you going to do?

All this blame Sam stuff is bs...even SJ admitted the man could talk basketball circles around any of us in a 1:1 conversation. He knows the game, he relates to players and he's gaining coaching experience. The plan was never to be a champ team right away..it's a multi-year journey and Sam is improving but at the end of the day his players have to go get the rebound, not make silly mistakes, make thier shots, keep their man in front of them etc... he cannot do it. He's not perfect but he gets far too much criticism when the team doens't win and not enough when they do.
SJ is a moron.
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Old 04-24-2008, 02:18 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I still think we should stick with Sam until we can get a very good coach. No point in changing the coach just for the sake of making a change.
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Old 04-24-2008, 02:31 PM   #8 (permalink)
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MY bad there are 4 coaches still with ther team but Avery may lose his job. Smitch is not a bad coach but the atmosphere is already created and to change that, something has to go. Sam didn't have the pieces he wanted and then he got them last year and the did well. So this year is a different but YOU can't make adjustments. Go to another team and experiment with starting lineups and see if it works there. I bet it doesn't and then he can take that BS out of his head. These Raptors egos (TJ) and confiedence(Joey, Bargnani) get so shook when the don't play. You have to be mindful of that. Sam doesn't want to be the Black Scot Skiles and bounce around because you are a good but not good with managing your players.

No other team made adjustments in the playoffs to their team because you have to believe in your team. Are we already desperate in game 1 that we need to make adjustments before tip-off??? Playing time managament and play calling is where you show you're the man. Philly didn't make any adjustments to their team and won game 1 not by fluke but by hard work. We lost game 2 because of bad play calling.
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No other team made adjustments in the playoffs to their team because you have to believe in your team. Are we already desperate in game 1 that we need to make adjustments before tip-off??? Playing time managament and play calling is where you show you're the man. Philly didn't make any adjustments to their team and won game 1 not by fluke but by hard work. We lost game 2 because of bad play calling.
I really think you're oversimplifying.

1. I doubt Sam is the first nor will he be the last to change starting lineups within a playoff series, particularly when the team is struggling so much.

2. How long does he believe in a team that gets down 17-20points after one quarter in back to back games??

3. We didn't lose because of bad play calling...we lost because we were soft in the first quarter and got down too far. Even after fighting back all game we ended with a chance to win with the ball in our best player's hand, within his range and it didn't fall. Shit happens as frustrating as it is... but really it does happen to good team. San ANtonio beat Phoenix in the first game because Tim Duncan hit a 3 to force an overtime period. WTF is that about? Do you first D'Antoni for calling a bad play? No, shit happens.

This team has some issues to resolve and upgrades to occur before they get really good but really this is what we have right now and Sam is not the problem...he's a piece of the puzzle.
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Old 04-24-2008, 05:09 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Isn't Johnson still with the Mavs?
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Old 04-24-2008, 07:57 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Being mentally ill enough to start Bargnani at SF for the first 2 games of the playoffs defending the other team's best wing player, or weak enough to give TJ the starting job for playing selfish, or dumb enough to be unable to run plays for Kapono or anyone else when we needed our 3s in the last quarter of the season... Doesn't have anything to do with "being given a soft team"
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Old 04-25-2008, 12:49 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I'm for getting a new coach - but so far in these playoffs I don't have too many issues with Sam's coaching. He made his share of mistakes, but I liked that he tried new stuff. It didn't work with Andreea at SF - but I can understand the logic behind it. Plus, he did react to stuff that didn't work. My biggest problem until now is actually having Bosh taking the last shot in game 2 - he might be our best player, but he was the worst shooter on the floor. I'd rather have Jose try that play with Rasho, who is shooting way better than Bosh from mid-range.
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i was with you until the end there milk. you want rasho taking the last shot from 17 feet?
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yes - I honestly believe Rasho is a better 17ft shooter than CB4 is. He's also taller, which makes it slightly easier to shoot over Dwight. Plus he's very rested, and Bosh was gassed. You can run the exact same play if you want, and another bonus is that Magic would be confused by having Rasho, everybody would expect Bosh to get the last shot. It's kind of like that magic play against the Hawks, who would expect TJ to be on the receiving end for a slam dunk, with 0.4 left? And that worked beautifully, disregarding the clock thing and all.
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D-Mart should be the new coach.
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I doubt very much Sam doens't realize his team is soft. Remember the now famous 'go get the ball' big man drill he used last year? He has been given a soft roster..what are you going to do?

All this blame Sam stuff is bs...even SJ admitted the man could talk basketball circles around any of us in a 1:1 conversation. He knows the game, he relates to players and he's gaining coaching experience. The plan was never to be a champ team right away..it's a multi-year journey and Sam is improving but at the end of the day his players have to go get the rebound, not make silly mistakes, make thier shots, keep their man in front of them etc... he cannot do it. He's not perfect but he gets far too much criticism when the team doens't win and not enough when they do.
Are you kidding me, you have the best shooter in the league in Jason Kapono and all season you take him off if he misses one shot. It takes him to the playoffs to realize that he could use him. And how about some more complex plays, it seems the only play the Raps ever do is the pick-and-roll. The Raps definitley need a new coach, but none of this Mike D'Antoni nonsense. What has he done in Phoenix that was so amazing, sure he has winning records, but has he won anything using his fast pace style of basketball - No. We need a coach that stresses the Defensive End. Any suggestions?
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I dont mind D'Antoni. I personally think their faltering this season was due to that horrible trade, and well, considering how steep the west in terms of talent.
I still dont see him coming here. Nor am I convinced that this is the last we've seen of Sam Mitchell.
Though my intuition tells me, and I dont how it does, okay so call it a premonition, but Colangelo isn't going to bring in new players for sam to fuck around with. if he makes moves, it'll be with a new coach in mind. if anything, i see that being his first move.
and D'Antoni has done a great job. one 60 win season. three 50+ win seasons in a tough conference. one robert horry cheap shot away from the finals. not to shabby. granted he's a good roster, but he's managed to do more with it than we have with ours.
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Has D'Antoni really done a great job or Nash has done a great job of making him look good?
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I'm not sold on D'Antoni. How'd his teams in Europe play? Any D?
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Point guards dont flourish without good coaches. coaches dont flourish without good point guards.
parker - popovich
paul - scott
williams - sloan
nash - d'antoni

they all have great relationships.
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