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View Poll Results: What shoudl Raps do with Sam Mitchell?
Get rid of him right now 7 26.92%
They should wait and replace him in the off-season 12 46.15%
Raps should keep him since he is doing such a good job 5 19.23%
I am confused... who is Sam Mitchell? 2 7.69%
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Old 03-18-2008, 11:50 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I don't want to fire Sam, at least not now. Offseason, maybe - and ONLY if we can get a high end coach, otherwise what's the point. Why fire Sam to bring Mike Fratello for example, for the 3-4 extra wins? Not worth it.

However, do I think on his performance alone, should Sam be fired? Absolutely. But I don't think it's the right decision at this point in time for us.

As for AP - he is a good defender, but you can't ask him to stop kobe one on one, nobody can, not even bowen. You can force Kobe to play in a certain way, to do certain things, and that's a coaching job. Have an idea of what you want to do, not just repeat banalities of the "we've got to contest every shot" type (no kidding, do we *really* have to do that? what if we let him shoot uncontested shots and pray he missed, maybe that would work ... )
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Old 03-18-2008, 11:53 PM   #42 (permalink)
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And a first-round exit would not be a "major setback", Denver had first-round exists for the past 5 years I think, but they're still a good team, with an outside chance of winning it all. Unless you are a top 3 team in a conference, you will have great difficulties winning a playoff round, best thing you can hope is #4 seed and the right to play #5, which is a team equally good with yours, therefore you would have a tough series on your hands. Until we get to be a top 3 team, at least in the regular season, we will most likely not win a playoff round.
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Old 03-19-2008, 02:02 AM   #43 (permalink)
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if you wouldnt want Dunleavy on this team, you'd be crazy.
What would Dunleavy add that we dont already have besides another big contract? Hes Kapono with better ballhandling and less shot, woop dee doo.

Granger is multi faceted and plays defence and consistantly gets on the boards. Dumbleavy plays no D. Theres a big difference between the two. No GM or sane person takes Dunleavy over Granger.
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Old 03-19-2008, 09:42 AM   #44 (permalink)
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What would Dunleavy add that we dont already have besides another big contract? Hes Kapono with better ballhandling and less shot, woop dee doo.

Granger is multi faceted and plays defence and consistantly gets on the boards. Dumbleavy plays no D. Theres a big difference between the two. No GM or sane person takes Dunleavy over Granger.
Let's see... rebounding, playmaking and mismatches to start with. Dunleavy can play a little point guard and has the length to cause mismatches and grab rebounds... Kapono doesn't create anything but a smooth jumper.

And the question was Dunleavy or Granger..it was would you take Dunleavy..and the answer for this team is unequivocally yes!
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What would Dunleavy add that we dont already have besides another big contract? Hes Kapono with better ballhandling and less shot, woop dee doo.

Granger is multi faceted and plays defence and consistantly gets on the boards. Dumbleavy plays no D. Theres a big difference between the two. No GM or sane person takes Dunleavy over Granger.
you're twisting my words thrills...
i never said i'd take granger over dunleavy... no one said that..
i was just trying to prove my point in that you're saying dunleavy is a shit player putting up good numbers because he's on a shit team.
i just pointed out that granger puts up identical numbers on that shit team... so you're arguement doesnt hold much weight.

dunleavy isnt an allstar, we all know that, but fact is; he's playing extremely well this season (crappy team or not), and its not fluke either.
he's a legitimate player in the NBA.
and he is playing like 3rd pick should... and GS fans are just bitter.

the guy can hit jumpers (45% from the field) , he can drive, he's an excellent passer, decent rebounder, and causes matchup problems...
he's finally comfortable in the system he's in (unlike in GS) and is maturing into a fine bball player.
this is his breakout year my friend...
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Old 03-19-2008, 11:03 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Dunleavy is good. However this diatribe has taken us off course, as the crux of the problem was players, even adequit ones, consistantly put up near or season high numbers against us from the 2-3 spot.
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Old 03-19-2008, 11:35 AM   #48 (permalink)
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Dunleavy is good. However this diatribe has taken us off course, as the crux of the problem was players, even adequit ones, consistantly put up near or season high numbers against us from the 2-3 spot.
what happened to our Defensive freak athelete MOON?
you guys finally realizing he's overrated and his hit his ceiling in terms of potential?
or maybe we really do miss Mo pete?
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Old 03-19-2008, 11:43 AM   #49 (permalink)
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what happened to our Defensive freak athelete MOON?
you guys finally realizing he's overrated and his hit his ceiling in terms of potential?
or maybe we really do miss Mo pete?
SJ has alluded to this already. We've got no intimidating defensive presence in the paint. What's Parker supposed to do, force his man into the help that's not there because he's either late, got his back to the play or twists away from the contact and gives up the and one.
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Old 03-19-2008, 11:47 AM   #50 (permalink)
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what happened to our Defensive freak athelete MOON?
you guys finally realizing he's overrated and his hit his ceiling in terms of potential?
or maybe we really do miss Mo pete?

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but I couldn't agree more about the lack of help D.
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Old 03-19-2008, 01:53 PM   #51 (permalink)
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When I have watched what our team can do in the playoffs ( praying to achieve that), I will give my opinion. I wanna see that special defence ...
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Old 03-20-2008, 01:54 AM   #52 (permalink)
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what happened to our Defensive freak athelete MOON?
you guys finally realizing he's overrated and his hit his ceiling in terms of potential?
or maybe we really do miss Mo pete?
I was thinking the same thing. Moon still has potential. His defense is scattered, and he's been driving less and less to the basket and settling for jumpers.

He just hasn't been the same since the All Star Break. He needs to snap out of that dunk competition embarrassment.
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Old 03-20-2008, 03:59 AM   #53 (permalink)
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Let's see... rebounding, playmaking and mismatches to start with. Dunleavy can play a little point guard and has the length to cause mismatches and grab rebounds... Kapono doesn't create anything but a smooth jumper.
Mismatches? Rebounds? WTH? The guy comes off screens and hits open shots. On a good team he wouldnt be featured in screen plays, he'd be a guy like Battier/Bowen/Finley who stands in the corner and waits for other guys to create shots for him. The guy just isnt good enough on offence especially when you make him dribble to get it done vs good defences.

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And the question was Dunleavy or Granger..it was would you take Dunleavy..and the answer for this team is unequivocally yes!
Really? What does Dunleavy do better than Granger besides shooting without dribbling? Rebounding? Hell no. Defence? Not even close. Dribble drive game? Haha, are you kidding me? Like I said, any sane basketball mind takes Granger over Dunleavy, not to mention Granger is younger as well, no?

And I never said Dunleavy wasnt an NBA player, but IMO hes just another soft shooter who wilts under pressure, it was proven in GSW and itll be proven if he ever gets to the playoffs, unless hes in the role he should be in, which is bench player who can come in and knock down a couple shots, anything beyond that is IMO out of his range of possibility.

And I dont think putting up 18 PPG on a terrible team proves that hes finally proving hes a good #3 pick. If he had any balls he would have played like a man in GSW and put up these numbers there, then maybe they wouldnt have been 30 win teams and wouldnt have had to trade him away because he was so soft.
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so any average player can score 18 a game on a terrible team? even tho other teams will be looking to shut them down since they are one of the main scoring options.... this is the NBA, its not like he is playing CBA teams out there that dont know whats going on... that arguement is so redundant its silly, not any1 can go to a crap team and score 18, u need skill to do this, teams look to shut him and granger down, esp with no Oneal in the lineup, he is still putting up those numbers on NBA teams, to shrug it off and call him a scrub is...... "insane"
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Really? What does Dunleavy do better than Granger besides shooting without dribbling? Rebounding? Hell no. Defence? Not even close. Dribble drive game? Haha, are you kidding me? Like I said, any sane basketball mind takes Granger over Dunleavy, not to mention Granger is younger as well, no?

And I never said Dunleavy wasnt an NBA player, but IMO hes just another soft shooter who wilts under pressure, it was proven in GSW and itll be proven if he ever gets to the playoffs, unless hes in the role he should be in, which is bench player who can come in and knock down a couple shots, anything beyond that is IMO out of his range of possibility.

And I dont think putting up 18 PPG on a terrible team proves that hes finally proving hes a good #3 pick. If he had any balls he would have played like a man in GSW and put up these numbers there, then maybe they wouldnt have been 30 win teams and wouldnt have had to trade him away because he was so soft.
I meant to say the question WASN'T Dunleavy or Granger...just would you take Dunleavy on the team. I'm not saying he's better or better for us than Granger..i'm saying he's better than you're saying he is.
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I dont think Dunleavy is a better player/fit for a good team than AP is.
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Old 03-20-2008, 02:05 PM   #57 (permalink)
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AP >>>> Dunleavy, better in every way but his age. On our team AP is overlooked, but he's more than capable of doing whatever Dunleavy does and more.
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i like AP just fine, but i seriously think if AP is your 2nd scoring option, the team isnt going far. JMO
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Old 03-21-2008, 11:03 PM   #59 (permalink)
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I am completley on the fire Smitch bandwagon now.

The handling of the Ford situation is downright embarrasing. After seeing the mess of the last three weeks, how do you justify playing Ford in the 4th quarter AGAIN? Especially when Calderon was playing better this game and had already led us back from a TJ-created deposit. The only explanation is "giving" this to TJ as a make-up to losing his starting role. God, it's absolutely inexcusable for a coach to be bullied by a player's ego like this.

Not to mention other scattered mistakes like Moon only getting 19 minutes despite grabbing 10 boards in that time, in a game we desperately needed rebounding.
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Old 03-21-2008, 11:09 PM   #60 (permalink)
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Jose was hot as hell in the 3rd and I realize that he maybe needed an break, but sitting him for that long in a crucial game like tonight was unacceptable. That's not how you coach a team. :mad:
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