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fk24 12-06-2012 01:15 AM

Time for Bell/Rogers to step in
 
Kick BC/Stefanski and all others responsible for this mess out. At this point, you can't get any worse. 0 results, bad contracts left and right.

MBailey85 12-06-2012 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by fk24 (Post 715489)
Kick BC/Stefanski and all others responsible for this mess out. At this point, you can't get any worse. 0 results, bad contracts left and right.

They are two tele communication giants,they don't give a shit about their basketball team in a Hockey city as long as they're making money(which they probably are considering they're top 10 in attendence).

Raptors1995 12-06-2012 01:27 AM

It's pretty frustrating as a fan watching us lose these close games night after night. To make matters worse, there's a good chance we lose our pick and with our current roster intact, we don't have any cap space for the summer. The allure of having a high pick at least gives you some hope. The future looks pretty bad right now.

box92 12-06-2012 02:02 AM

we need a single owner who is passionate about this team to take over as owner

The MVP of West Hollywood 12-06-2012 02:22 AM

It's unbelievable how big of a mess this is, from our record to being totally capped out with no pick. BC really outdid himself.

Windex 12-06-2012 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by The MVP of West Hollywood (Post 715561)
It's unbelievable how big of a mess this is, from our record to being totally capped out with no pick. BC really outdid himself.

He followed the Brian Burke model

The MVP of West Hollywood 12-06-2012 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Windex (Post 715563)
He followed the Brian Burke model

Burke is 50x better than BC. Look at where Burke started and look at where he is now. Far more talent, young players, excellent cap flexibility (they will be in great position to sign Getzlaf next summer). The Leafs had nothing when he started but Schenn and now they have lots of things

BC is the inverse of Burke. He started with a lot of talent and pieces in Bosh, #1 pick, Charlie, etc. and by the 4 year mark (2010) had almost no blue chip young players or capspace

BC is an entire different galaxy of terrible than Brian Burke. He doesn't deserve to get Brian Burke's coffee

Raptors1995 12-06-2012 02:32 AM

Both Burky and BC need to go. I want Tyler Seguin back.

Bill Haverchuck 12-06-2012 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by The MVP of West Hollywood (Post 715561)
It's unbelievable how big of a mess this is, from our record to being totally capped out with no pick. BC really outdid himself.


The bright side is, if a new GM comes in and is able to convince Lowry to give him a chance, then it's a ship that can be turned around by someone with a clean slate and no ego invested in the current players.

Our cap situation could be turned around quickly by letting Jose expire and using the Amnesty, or moving a couple of dudes for expirings, which might be possible. If we can't get talent for Bargs, I do think there is a team that will take him for free.

I think Lowry has top 6 pick value, when healthy, so if he resigns and can play 75 games a year, we have the same talent anyway.

We just really need a new GM, if only so that potential transactions can be assessed with objective eyes. There are people here, who think we can't do better than Colangelo. But just objective eyes might be better, at this point.

Raptors1995 12-06-2012 02:37 AM

When there was no hard cap in the NHL, we could have easily outspent teams and acquired some serious talent. The owners were way too greedy here.

Raptors1995 12-06-2012 02:39 AM

If I were a new GM, I would re-sign Lowry in the offseason. With the way he's playing right now he would probably ask for Ty Lawson type money. If he remains consistent for this year and next, he's going to be asking for a lot. If we can get him to re-sign for significantly lower than the max, we would have a lot of cap room at our disposal.

Tommy C 12-06-2012 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by The MVP of West Hollywood (Post 715561)
It's unbelievable how big of a mess this is, from our record to being totally capped out with no pick. BC really outdid himself.

+1
I have been saying it since he messed up with Bosh.
I was excited before the season started, thought some contracts i.e Fields were absurd, but oh well... then he signed DD to a new contracts while he is a RESTRICTED FA and there is no way in hell other teams would have offered more than what we did.... :dead:

Tommy C 12-06-2012 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Raptors1995 (Post 715569)
If I were a new GM, I would re-sign Lowry in the offseason. With the way he's playing right now he would probably ask for Ty Lawson type money. If he remains consistent for this year and next, he's going to be asking for a lot. If we can get him to re-sign for significantly lower than the max, we would have a lot of cap room at our disposal.

I don't think he will wanna stay here.

The MVP of West Hollywood 12-06-2012 02:51 AM

Yeah I think Lowry needs to be traded at the end of the season.

The reality of the situation is the team is YEARS away of fixing the big bowl of sh*t BC left for us. It's unfortunate but I think the Raps are going to be looking at a Leafs like situation where they're 8+ years from our last playoff trip before we make it again. Best way to do that is to blow it up, bottom out and tank in the loaded 2014 class, not further wreck our cap by maxing out Lowry and trying to make the playoffs. Absolute worst case scenario is not getting a Lowry extension but keeping him until his UFA anyways

If we get a good GM I think he will do the right thing by trading Lowry at the peak of his value to a winning team, and rebuilding next year in a possible "draft of the decade", especially with a Canadian player ranked #1

fancylad 12-06-2012 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by The MVP of West Hollywood (Post 715565)
Burke is 50x better than BC. Look at where Burke started and look at where he is now. Far more talent, young players, excellent cap flexibility (they will be in great position to sign Getzlaf next summer). The Leafs had nothing when he started but Schenn and now they have lots of things

BC is the inverse of Burke. He started with a lot of talent and pieces in Bosh, #1 pick, Charlie, etc. and by the 4 year mark (2010) had almost no blue chip young players or capspace

BC is an entire different galaxy of terrible than Brian Burke. He doesn't deserve to get Brian Burke's coffee

interesting points. I disagree with you on a few things, but for the most part i agree that Colangelo has been a bigger failure than burke if you look at where they are now. You're too high on Burke though. For one i don't see the cap flexibility at all. They dont' have much wiggle room at all. Cap wise craps and leafs are around the same. Burke's kessel trade also was a pretty big step back in hindsight. Still i do agree that he's since biult a pretty nice core of good young players and they are better set up going forward while they may be a bit away. by the way i made a thread about the same issue in the other sports thread.

Raptors while they have a couple good pieces have a rotten core. Shit there's just not much there and there's no appeal to follow them closely. I don't know how you guys can watch this team.

as for bell/rogers stepping in HAHA. it's the same corporate shit give me a break. Ain't nothing changed. Most likely colangelo will get canned at the end of the season or somewhere closer to the end. Do yourselves a favour and take the rest of the year off.

Windex 12-06-2012 08:41 AM

Rogers gave Riccardi 7 years and I believe Colangelo has been the GM for 7 years.
so I think he'll be out soon.

JoeyJoJo Shabbadu 12-06-2012 11:10 AM

1st of all... Burke got Van Reimsdyke for Schenn which is pure genius. 2nd of all he's actually filled the farm system to the point that we actually have someone coming from it (Gardiner). Leafs will contend soon enough when they can find help in the net.

Raptors? They are fucked and have only maybe 3 pieces to move ahead with and that's Davis, Ross and Valunciunus.


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