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Old 07-05-2012, 10:37 AM   #21 (permalink)
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truthfully, the moves (or lack of moves), the questionable drafting, the decisions that have been made over the course of his tenure here have been mediocre at best.
the thing that really worries me is that this summer - this summer that was brimming with light, brimming with potential, and had such a positive outlook - has quickly become a dreary mess.
this Nash debacle; the putting all our eggs in the Nash basket (which i believe cost us dearly on draft night), and short sighted Fields signing (which i think had more to do with trying to block NY from getting Nash) has blown up in our faces.

when it all comes down to it, i'm very scared that we'll slowly see September, and we'll be the same team (save for JV and Ross, and possibly Fields)... same PG situation - that looked so promising going into this summer... same wing situation... no significant changes. we'll be on that same losing treadmill with a crappy outlook.
i dont know... maybe im just in a bad mood this morning, but the rest of this summer is not looking promising anymore.
BC has lost that golden touch he had when he strolled into town. its rusted, and i dont think he'll ever get it back.
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Old 07-05-2012, 11:05 AM   #22 (permalink)
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All the hyper talk by him about all the balls in the air, so many options, and his excitement to wheel and deal just makes him look ridiculous. And before that there was talk about a grand plan in place. Before that there was talk about being a buyer not a seller. He talks a good game, but his words seldom match up with any kind of reality.

I think what ultimately does him in is his refusal to make a deal where he gives up something to get something that fits even better. He's great at fixing mistakes and getting lesser garbage for absolute trash. He can pick up the same sort of underutilized character guys a million times over, usually promising that they will get a chance to take on bigger roles. And he can make nice lateral moves when those underutilized guys reveal why they aren't used much as they fail miserably in bigger roles. He desperately needs to get a couple players that can definitively fill roles and take this team forward. That would mean trading a player he might not want to trade. But that's what a competent GM does.
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Old 07-05-2012, 11:05 AM   #23 (permalink)
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We are sitting on our assess while other teams are getting better.

Suns just signed dragic, Gordon and Beasley. BC better be getting something done.

Lowry and a SF please! Getting impatient overhere

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Old 07-05-2012, 11:14 AM   #24 (permalink)
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You know the ironic thing here is? If BC didn't bother to try to get Nash, fk24 and others would be screaming for his head cause "if BC would have tried to get Nash, of course he would come here cause he's Canadian but now we'll never know and now we're stuck with 'so-and-so' "
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Old 07-05-2012, 11:22 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Personally, I could care less about the free agent market, and have no idea why BC puts so much emphasis there. I would have been ecstatic if he could have made a deal for what he could call a pg of the future and then explained the obvious lack of a need to go after Nash. He could have said he's sticking to a long-term vision rather than opting for a sexy move that sells tickets in the short-term. Instead his actions were all about looking to get bums in seats for a couple years. Fuck that. There's no backing away from that.
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Old 07-05-2012, 11:24 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Personally, I could care less about the free agent market, and have no idea why BC puts so much emphasis there. I would have been ecstatic if he could have made a deal for what he could call a pg of the future and then explained the obvious lack of a need to go after Nash. He could have said he's sticking to a long-term vision rather than opting for a sexy move that sells tickets in the short-term. Instead his actions were all about looking to get bums in seats for a couple years. Fuck that. There's no backing away from that.
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Old 07-05-2012, 11:25 AM   #27 (permalink)
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i have no words to express my anger other than fire BC!


-he made big mistake by drafting Bargnani and still try to stick to him when it already prove he is waste after 7 years exprementing


-he has no prepare in this draft other than select T.Ross which is a totally waste if Nash didn't come to board,he should using this big chance to secure a mid first round other than put all his gamble in Nash

-he let Bosh went away with no return when obviously he is leaving TO

-he made a stupid offer to Fields just try to stop some rumor trade...

-he didn't sign Defino or Marion when they asking fairly market value and now try to spend 10M a years for French b**shit for SF upgrade

-he still try to make some trade to get a sub-super PG when Bayless is available on his own hand

bottom line we totally lost this year's draft or signing and now we are stick to mud and going no where


F**k it...let's forget PG and package Jose and Bargnani to get a All-star SF and re-start everything , with JV+SF+DD we still have some light going forward(but this only happens without BC)
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Old 07-05-2012, 11:27 AM   #28 (permalink)
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You know the ironic thing here is? If BC didn't bother to try to get Nash, fk24 and others would be screaming for his head cause "if BC would have tried to get Nash, of course he would come here cause he's Canadian but now we'll never know and now we're stuck with 'so-and-so' "
Go read my posts.I was against this signing since day one. I was against it and I let it be known. When he handed out that fields contract there was no turning back.
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Old 07-05-2012, 11:32 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Personally, I could care less about the free agent market, and have no idea why BC puts so much emphasis there. I would have been ecstatic if he could have made a deal for what he could call a pg of the future and then explained the obvious lack of a need to go after Nash. He could have said he's sticking to a long-term vision rather than opting for a sexy move that sells tickets in the short-term. Instead his actions were all about looking to get bums in seats for a couple years. Fuck that. There's no backing away from that.
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Old 07-05-2012, 11:38 AM   #30 (permalink)
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2012 summer was the summer of Nash. period.
BC put all his eggs in this basket, and failed. i think the reason he was so excited about this summer was because everything revolved around Nash and he was too confident that he was going to sign him. when that blew up in is face, it left him reeling, with no other options.
the fact that he made this summer all about signing Nash and that that was his big plan, makes him look incompetent and short sighted.
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Old 07-05-2012, 11:40 AM   #31 (permalink)
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How do we know it was his plan A, B & C though? It's too early to judge the summer.
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Old 07-05-2012, 11:57 AM   #32 (permalink)
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fact of the matter is no one in this thread knows what happening behind Colangelo's door, but everyone seems to think they do. Can you all just relax a bit and wait a couple weeks. Let Colangelo finish what he wants to do this off-season and then judge. Theres still a whole summer for Colangelo to execute what ever he has planned. Its almost like everyone here knows exactly what hes thinking, and that hes given up this offseason and just going to sit the rest of it out now that Nash is gone.....
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Old 07-05-2012, 11:57 AM   #33 (permalink)
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2012 summer was the summer of Nash. period.
BC put all his eggs in this basket, and failed. i think the reason he was so excited about this summer was because everything revolved around Nash and he was too confident that he was going to sign him. when that blew up in is face, it left him reeling, with no other options.
the fact that he made this summer all about signing Nash and that that was his big plan, makes him look incompetent and short sighted.
Something tells me this was his plan for a long long time. Forget about internal development and drafting. Land Nash, make a lot of money for MLSE, and get a Toronto crowd who knows nothing better all buzzed about getting captain Pylon.

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fact of the matter is no one in this thread knows what happening behind Colangelo's door, but everyone seems to think they do. Can you all just relax a bit and wait a couple weeks. Let Colangelo finish what he wants to do this off-season and then judge. Theres still a whole summer for Colangelo to execute what ever he has planned. Its almost like everyone here knows exactly what hes thinking, and that hes given up this offseason and just going to sit the rest of it out now that Nash is gone.....
no ones saying he's given up now that Nash is LA bound.... he cant give up, his job is on the line.
what i'm saying is that his plan this summer revolved all around signing Nash, i think he had all his ducks in a row, knew who he was going after, and who he would pair with Nash. i think had he signed Nash that the dominoes would have all been lined up perfectly and he'd have hit major HRs over the next 2 months. but guess what? Nash isnt coming anymore... and i think that just put a monkey wrench in his plans. does he have a plan B? for his sake and our sake, i hope to hell that he does. otherwise we'll be siting through 2 months of pointless signings that make no sense (Fields is already one), and frustrating, non competitive moves, that dont really make any impact whatsoever.
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Something tells me this was his plan for a long long time. Forget about internal development and drafting. Land Nash, make a lot of money for MLSE, and get a Toronto crowd who knows nothing better all buzzed about getting captain Pylon.
QFT. His master plan was nothing more than a marketing move.
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It certainly explains keeping Triano on. But when BC signed Nash as a free agent in Phoenix it was an entirely different scenario. Nash had not played at such a high level and he was throwing a ton of cash at him. That was pretty easy for Nash to decide on. This time Nash does not have time on his side and he has a completely different perspective. It simply wasn't a matter of being charmed all over again. It really makes BC look like a one trick pony.
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Old 07-05-2012, 12:10 PM   #37 (permalink)
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no ones saying he's given up now that Nash is LA bound.... he cant give up, his job is on the line.
what i'm saying is that his plan this summer revolved all around signing Nash, i think he had all his ducks in a row, knew who he was going after, and who he would pair with Nash. i think had he signed Nash that the dominoes would have all been lined up perfectly and he'd have hit major HRs over the next 2 months. but guess what? Nash isnt coming anymore... and i think that just put a monkey wrench in his plans. does he have a plan B? for his sake and our sake, i hope to hell that he does. otherwise we'll be siting through 2 months of pointless signings that make no sense (Fields is already one), and frustrating, non competitive moves, that dont really make any impact whatsoever.
Plan B was there on the table last week right before the draft. He was foolish enough to ignore it, as you mentioned he put "all his eggs in the Nash basket", when Nash had no real intention of coming here. Theres nothing left. Dragic is off the table.

There is no Plan B, C, D or even F at this point. He ( I mean We) lost out this summer. Big time.

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Old 07-05-2012, 12:41 PM   #38 (permalink)
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If BC gets fired, I'd go after Bird in the offseason.
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Old 07-05-2012, 12:44 PM   #39 (permalink)
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I didn't like a few of his draft choices, but overall he doesn't get ripped off when it comes to trades. He did build a good team with low lottery picks, trades, and free agency. He left them with a winning team and a ton of cap space.
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The one i will say, Ed Stefanski won't be any better.
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