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Old 11-22-2013, 12:47 PM   #21 (permalink)
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he's sitting on his ass complaining about how other people are at least attempting to actually do something about it


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Old 11-22-2013, 12:50 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I will give you something even more ridiculous - having a $1500 per plate dinner to benefit hungry people in Africa. Believe it or not, it has been done as well.
Are you under the impression that the food actually cost $1500 dollars to make? It is essentially a $1500 donation. I'm confused as to what your point is here.
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Old 11-22-2013, 12:55 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Are you under the impression that the food actually cost $1500 dollars to make? It is essentially a $1500 donation. I'm confused as to what your point is here.
maybe he's under the impression that's what they were charging the hungry people in Africa?
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What I don't get is what Leiweke is trying to prove by sleeping in the cold for one night, what does it add to the whole thing?

He already admitted that the experience won't help him relate to homeless people better, because it's not the same. He refuses to go all the way by wearing special clothing. He's basically turning this into a gameshow of "How long will Tim survive homeless life" (while cheating) to garner as much press/cameras as possible. If I were the press I wouldn't even go look up Tim in the park because a) it's freaking cold at night and b) he's cheating anyways. What's so special about a millionaire sleeping in the park? If I want to see that I'll watch Trading Places again.

And if the press gave no mention of this event, do you think Leiweke would still go through with it?

The logic behind this event confuses me. The cause is good, it obviously is, but the event imho is awkward and silly.
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Hmm... I must say, I thought the irony was obvious, but apparently it truly isn't. Probably a cultural thing too...

Yes, I know that most of the money paid at these dinners goes to the intended charity. How much of that actually gets to the hungry is a different topic altogether, so let's stay with the event itself.

You guys seriously don't find it weird that a lot of people in tuxes and evening gowns get together in a fabulous dining hall to have some food prepared by famous chefs in order to raise some money for people who are literally dying of hunger?! Instead of just making a donation, the whole of which would go to that cause, without any publicity attached to it? Am I being clear enough here?
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why are we overblowing this thing?

He did it to raise awareness. to bring some press to the cause. Obviously it benefits MLSE too and is good for their brand, but when it comes to problems like homelessness or poverty who really cares. it's a good cause period.
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What I don't get is what Leiweke is trying to prove by sleeping in the cold for one night, what does it add to the whole thing?

He already admitted that the experience won't help him relate to homeless people better, because it's not the same. He refuses to go all the way by wearing special clothing. He's basically turning this into a gameshow of "How long will Tim survive homeless life" (while cheating) to garner as much press/cameras as possible. If I were the press I wouldn't even go look up Tim in the park because a) it's freaking cold at night and b) he's cheating anyways. What's so special about a millionaire sleeping in the park? If I want to see that I'll watch Trading Places again.

And if the press gave no mention of this event, do you think Leiweke would still go through with it?

The logic behind this event confuses me. The cause is good, it obviously is, but the event imho is awkward and silly.
The picture you paint is pretty ridiculous, but i am not sure it is all that accurate. It's not about Lieweke. It is involving a bunch of business leaders, and they are not approaching it as some kind of reality tv sort of thing, but simply making a symbolic gesture. It might be empty symbolism, but from what i can see the intent is to put the focus on the cause rather than the plight of the participants for one night. The fact that they point out that it is not truly indicative at all of what a homeless kid has to overcome, but that they can and do overcome a lot with a bit of help, is not such a bad thing.
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Hmm... I must say, I thought the irony was obvious, but apparently it truly isn't. Probably a cultural thing too...

Yes, I know that most of the money paid at these dinners goes to the intended charity. How much of that actually gets to the hungry is a different topic altogether, so let's stay with the event itself.

You guys seriously don't find it weird that a lot of people in tuxes and evening gowns get together in a fabulous dining hall to have some food prepared by famous chefs in order to raise some money for people who are literally dying of hunger?! Instead of just making a donation, the whole of which would go to that cause, without any publicity attached to it? Am I being clear enough here?
Charity events always have meaningless gimmicks. Dinners, camping out, none of it really means anything - it's about awareness and money raised for the cause. The donations come either way, but the gimmicks help with awareness - which can lead to a lot more donations than the actual event directly pulls in.

Do you give Girl Guides crap for trying to sell you cookies, when they're really just looking for a donation?
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Girl Guides are not into it for self-promotion. Neither am I. Dan, you are a very intelligent man and I think that example, which doesn't fit the argument at all, shows some intellectual laziness on your part.

Once again - if one really cares about the cause, one contributes one's efforts and/or finances to the cause. Gimmicks, especially "eating for hunger" or "pretending to identify with homeless by sleeping on the street for the night" ones, are purely about self-promotion, IMO.
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Hmm... I must say, I thought the irony was obvious, but apparently it truly isn't. Probably a cultural thing too...

Yes, I know that most of the money paid at these dinners goes to the intended charity. How much of that actually gets to the hungry is a different topic altogether, so let's stay with the event itself.

You guys seriously don't find it weird that a lot of people in tuxes and evening gowns get together in a fabulous dining hall to have some food prepared by famous chefs in order to raise some money for people who are literally dying of hunger?! Instead of just making a donation, the whole of which would go to that cause, without any publicity attached to it? Am I being clear enough here?
The rich are vain? Yeah, that sucks. Just making a donation is pretty useless ultimately as well. I find it weird that people in fine dress get to afford the luxury of being treated like helpless infants at any time. The world is indeed fucked up. However, from what i can see, this particular event is driven by the Covenant house rather than rich guys looking for attention, and the goal is more about bridging the gap between the rich and poor to some degree, which is a bit different than what you describe here.
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This is how it's done, BTW:

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Yeah that's nice, particularly in that it's not just donations. But you do see there is self-promotion involved right? See the names and smiling faces and a few pats on the back? And Girl Guide cookies do promote Girl Guides right? They don't just sell "cookies".
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The picture you paint is pretty ridiculous, but i am not sure it is all that accurate. It's not about Lieweke. It is involving a bunch of business leaders, and they are not approaching it as some kind of reality tv sort of thing, but simply making a symbolic gesture. It might be empty symbolism, but from what i can see the intent is to put the focus on the cause rather than the plight of the participants for one night. The fact that they point out that it is not truly indicative at all of what a homeless kid has to overcome, but that they can and do overcome a lot with a bit of help, is not such a bad thing.
If the event in no way results in empathy or understanding for what it is like to be a homeless person then imho it's useless and redundant. I don't know man, it keeps confusing me.

Really we should just ask a homeless man how he looks at this whole event.
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The stupidity and pointless reasoning to complain in this thread blew my mind, I'm out! People seriously complaining about others trying to help out why they've probably never done a charitable thing in their life. Good god.
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If the event in no way results in empathy or understanding for what it is like to be a homeless person then imho it's useless and redundant. I don't know man, it keeps confusing me.

Really we should just ask a homeless man how he looks at this whole event.
The event is working perfectly. The intention is not for the people sleeping out to actually experience what it is like for a homeless person. These gimmicks are never done for the reasons ostensibly given for doing them. The gimmicks are indeed publicity stunts - and that's exactly why they are done. But it is not about personal or corporate publicity - it is publicity for the cause.

Would we be having a discussion centered on this Covenant House right now if not for the sleep out? Is there a chance there are hundreds, even thousands of these discussions happening around the city? Is there a chance some of those discussions lead some people to donating their time or money to the cause?

This is what awareness is about - you do stupid gimmicks, you raise some money in the meantime, but most of all you get the message out to the community that there is a cause that needs help. What's wrong with that? Who cares if MLSE gets a little bit of positive PR? Who cares if that's even their motivation for doing it?
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Girl Guides are not into it for self-promotion. Neither am I. Dan, you are a very intelligent man and I think that example, which doesn't fit the argument at all, shows some intellectual laziness on your part.

Once again - if one really cares about the cause, one contributes one's efforts and/or finances to the cause. Gimmicks, especially "eating for hunger" or "pretending to identify with homeless by sleeping on the street for the night" ones, are purely about self-promotion, IMO.
This gimmick, along with what I'm sure are some pretty hefty monetary donations to the cause from these execs, will do more for awareness of this cause and contributions toward it than anything you or I could individually do.

And why are we assuming they are in it for self-promotion? I never assumed the Girl Guides were - why would you assume it about these execs? Equally ridiculous claim. And irrelevant anyway. The reality is, whatever the motivation, these people are doing good things for a good cause, and the awareness caused and money raised by this gimmick will directly help homeless children.

And you are criticizing them for it.
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If the event in no way results in empathy or understanding for what it is like to be a homeless person then imho it's useless and redundant. I don't know man, it keeps confusing me.

Really we should just ask a homeless man how he looks at this whole event.
It is Covenant House that has put this together. So i think it's fair to say that they probably don't have a huge issue with it.
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Honestly, I'm baffled by the uncritical stance towards charity that I witness in this thread (basically every act of charity = good, no matter what other motives are involved). The only conclusion I can draw from this is that it's perhaps a cultural difference and that charity in North America is not a matter as obvious as it is here in Europe or perhaps in the Netherlands. I come from a small village and here we look out for one another. There are no homeless peope here and almost none in the country as a whole. I find the notion that I "probably have never done a charitable thing in my life" almost insulting, but I'll let it go 'cause it's a friday night and I don't feel like arguing any further. :cookie:

I agree that Leiweke is pretty succesful in gathering attention for his event, I'll give him that!

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This thread is hilarious.
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