Tim Chisholm: How To Fix The Raptors
Old 12-20-2008, 07:42 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The Raptors are stuck, here is the fix


19/12/2008 2:17:00 PM

After a coaching change and a rotation shake-up (in are Kapono and Moon, out are Bargnani and Parker), the Raptors are looking different but they aren't looking any better.

As of December 20th, the team will be one-third the way through the season and with each passing game it becomes clearer that trigger-happy GM Bryan Colangelo is going to be thinking trade. The only problem is that to make anything worthwhile happen it's going to take an admission of defeat (of some sort) by the Raptors' proud overseer.

Simply put, this team is not very good and has very few assets that will net them anything of consequence. Colangelo could go for a role-player-for-role-player exchange that might net the Raptors a superior rebounding presence off of the bench, but at this point that's just rearranging deck chairs this team needs more than another role player and it's going to take some sacrifices to get one.

In all likelihood any trade executed by the Raptors is going to have to include the expiring contract of demoted-former-starter player Anthony Parker. He's the ideal high-I.Q. player for the Raptors off the bench but his $4.5-million deal is going be needed to give financial relief to any team willing to trade with Toronto. Since the Raptors aren't loaded with high-potential players they will need to entice teams in other ways and expiring contracts are all the rage in this recessed economic climate.

After Parker, though, things begin to get dicey. Right now the team needs three things: a solid bench rebounder, a solid starting man-on defender and a wing who can create his own shot. It's unlikely any trade will satisfy all three needs so it becomes a matter of internal development and prioritizing to whittle the options down.
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Old 12-20-2008, 07:44 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Simply put, this team is not very good and has very few assets that will net them anything of consequence. Colangelo could go for a role-player-for-role-player exchange that might net the Raptors a superior rebounding presence off of the bench, but at this point that's just rearranging deck chairs – this team needs more than another role player and it's going to take some sacrifices to get one.
i have said this for the past 3 days on the fire colangelo thread and got raked over the coals for it... i feel better now...

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Old 12-20-2008, 07:46 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Isn't Hump our "solid bench rebounder"?
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Old 12-20-2008, 07:47 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Isn't Hump our "solid bench rebounder"?
i believe he is the best bench boarder in the league i suspect. nice kid though, met him at a 3 on 3 in winnipeg a couple years ago
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Old 12-20-2008, 07:50 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Isn't Hump our "solid bench rebounder"?
Yeah, Hump, Joey and Moon do pretty good for rebounds at least.

IMO: We need a consistent, physical, post up offense type starting center more than anything.
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Old 12-20-2008, 09:39 PM   #6 (permalink)
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you mean someone like O'Neal?

Name me 10 centers better than O'Neal right now, and see if there's anything on this team (including Bosh) that we could trade to get any of those 10. And don't tell me Kendrick Perkins is one of those 10 ...
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Old 12-20-2008, 11:46 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Wake up: O'Neal is a jump shooting PF. Always has been, always will be. BC got him because his contract expires at just the right time.

How many dunks did JO get this game?
How about last game?

I'm not saying we can get someone like that without breaking up our core, I'm saying that's what we need to be a top team.

And if you bother to reply, why don't you try suggesting something yourself and adding to the conversation instead of just being negative.
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Old 12-20-2008, 11:49 PM   #8 (permalink)
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How many dunks did Duncan have tonight?

Points in the paint aren't all about dunks.
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Old 12-20-2008, 11:54 PM   #9 (permalink)
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How many dunks did Duncan have tonight?

Points in the paint aren't all about dunks.
Aren't you a mod?

WHY DON'T YOU SUGGEST SOMETHING AND ADD TO THE CONVERSATION INSTEAD OF JUST BEING NEGATIVE? TROLL. SNIPER.

Raps get killed on the glass consistently. You know it, I know it, the entire NBA knows it. And it's not because of the guards, or the wings, its because our bigs don't clear out. It's because we don't take the ball aggressively to the hoop and get the other bigs in foul trouble. It's because we've got 2 bigs that play finesse, and a third off the bench.
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Old 12-20-2008, 11:56 PM   #10 (permalink)
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The only way to fix the Raptors is to begin the rebuilding process by trading Bosh.
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Old 12-20-2008, 11:57 PM   #11 (permalink)
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He is being positive not negative, or atleast I don't see the negaetivity
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Old 12-20-2008, 11:59 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Aren't you a mod?

WHY DON'T YOU SUGGEST SOMETHING AND ADD TO THE CONVERSATION INSTEAD OF JUST BEING NEGATIVE? TROLL. SNIPER.

Raps get killed on the glass consistently. You know it, I know it, the entire NBA knows it. And it's not because of the guards, or the wings, its because our bigs don't clear out. It's because we don't take the ball aggressively to the hoop and get the other bigs in foul trouble. It's because we've got 2 bigs that play finesse, and a third off the bench.
How am I being a troll? lol

I'm pretty sure you're the one that's trolling here. Either that or you forgot to take your medication.
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Old 12-21-2008, 12:00 AM   #13 (permalink)
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He is being positive not negative, or atleast I don't see the negaetivity
He's countering a point without offering an alternative.

Ask yourself: what is Acie's POV on what the Raps need?

He started the thread, and I have no idea.

You can't be wrong if you've got nothing to say. In my book, you can't be right either.
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Old 12-21-2008, 12:41 AM   #14 (permalink)
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What a useless article - he just rehashed things that Raptors fans have been talking about for the past two months.
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Old 12-21-2008, 02:55 AM   #15 (permalink)
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you mean someone like O'Neal?

Name me 10 centers better than O'Neal right now, and see if there's anything on this team (including Bosh) that we could trade to get any of those 10. And don't tell me Kendrick Perkins is one of those 10 ...
omg , Perkins is definately on that list...

And as i said in another thread the other day, JO's game is really similar to Boshs in that he loves the jumper way more then posting and going inside, its not his strong point, he has never even shot over 50% a single year in his career, a staple for true inside post up Cs, not even when he was a scrub off the Portland bench.
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Old 12-21-2008, 03:24 AM   #16 (permalink)
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omg , Perkins is definately on that list...

And as i said in another thread the other day, JO's game is really similar to Boshs in that he loves the jumper way more then posting and going inside, its not his strong point, he has never even shot over 50% a single year in his career, a staple for true inside post up Cs, not even when he was a scrub off the Portland bench.
Not sure if I'm with you on this Ugo. I think JO is a lot more willing to work inside and while he does go to the jumper, it's usually a short turnaround on a baby-hook (it's not really a hook, it's kind of a...hell, I don't have a name for it, but I think you know the shot I mean). He's fairly good at backing players down, as we saw with Duncan tonight and he can finish with either hand. Most of his game this year has been played inside the paint and we haven't seen him "chucking" like Bosh has this season. I see JO taking the jumper when it is there, whereas I see Bosh more taking it more as a way to settle.
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He's countering a point without offering an alternative.

Ask yourself: what is Acie's POV on what the Raps need?

He started the thread, and I have no idea.

You can't be wrong if you've got nothing to say. In my book, you can't be right either.
Well, redundantly rehashing the same shit that we can all see clearly doesn't exactly make you a scientist either.
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Old 12-21-2008, 02:13 PM   #18 (permalink)
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No scientist in this room. lol Trade Moon for anyone with some Ball I.Q. I thought high flyers become jump shooters after the ruin their knees. (i.e Robert Horry, Dominque Wilkins)

Trade his ass or make him sit with Adams!
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Old 12-27-2008, 06:40 PM   #19 (permalink)
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moon's one of the best robounders on the team and one of the best rebounding small forwards around. period. if we take him out of the starting lineup, we lessen those rebounds. although having his rebounding from the bench might be a better combination.

our biggest problem, imo, is the lack of chemistry Bosh and o'neal have on the floor together. if they can get it clicking, we'll be in a much better place. and we have to have 5s that can face-up and hit from away or we're going to have to change chris Bosh offensive game/role--that may not be such a bad thing.

if we can take advantage of golden state's (rumoured) want of dumping maggette, maybe we can swing a parker+kapono for maggette+bellineli? maggette's not my favourite guy but he will get to the line, score, and rebound. bellineli's been playing great lately. we could use his creativity.

i hate giving up parker though. he's a super solid human. but i think he's going to get an offer from europe he can't (and shouldn't) refuse.
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During the start of the season he wasn't good, but in the past 10-15 games he has been getting 5+ most of the time. He has had games with 8-10 rebounds
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