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TORaptor4Ever 11-16-2012 04:00 PM

Thinking hard about Amare....
 
First off, I know it's a risk.... but like the old saying goes "With great risk comes great reward".

With the Knicks playing as well as they are right now with Amare out of the lineup (and I honestly can't see him being ok coming off the bench when he comes back) you'd have to think that the time might be right to think about grabbing him.

Lord knows the Knicks want some cap relief and we can offer some in Jose so I was thinking about a deal along these lines....

Amare + Prigioni

for

Bargs + Jose


They get relief and a PF in return who'd be fine coming off the pine (I'd imagine) for that team.

We get an all-star PF and a decent replacement at the back up PG spot for Jose. Prigioni can ball.


Worst comes to absolute worst, Amare's contract runs the same length as Bargs'. And even if his knee was completely fugged and he never played another game for us we'd have clear minutes for Ed, Jonas, Amir and Kleiza up front and we'd have Prigioni there to keep the PG spot stable.

TBH, at this point I think it's addition by subtraction with Bargs and if Amare could come back and remain healthy for most of his remaining contract.... DD, Lowry and him? We shouldn't have any problems scoring the ball then. And Jonas would fit alongside Amare beautifully.

Thoughts?

DDUnreal 11-16-2012 04:01 PM

I would make New York better...

Dario 11-16-2012 04:01 PM

why prigoni? and not worth it, dudes always injured, ands struggled.

TORaptor4Ever 11-16-2012 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dario (Post 704343)
why prigoni? and not worth it, dudes always injured, ands struggled.

I haven't seen much of him but I liked what I saw. Seems like another Jose TBH. Smart guy with a lot of experience who knows how to get others involved and run a team. And remember.... he just has to come in and spell Lowry... not talking about him for the starting job.

Dario 11-16-2012 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever (Post 704346)
I haven't seen much of him but I liked what I saw. Seems like another Jose TBH. Smart guy with a lot of experience who knows how to get others involved and run a team. And remember.... he just has to come in and spell Lowry... not talking about him for the starting job.

valid point, but i think we need to go pass the calderon era, and get some solid attack first pgs. dont get me wrong, i like calderon, but it hasnt been working for us for years

pzabby 11-16-2012 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DDUnreal (Post 704342)
I would make New York better...

If I could plus this more I would.

the biggest issue here isn't whether amare will hold up or his contact. (though his contract will severely limit us from getting a starting caliber SF, let alone a star one). the biggest issue is I think bargnani's game would compliment NY's game very well. melo in the post, bargnani providing spacing for that. it could make NY stronger than it makes us, and that's if Amare does work out.

and it's not addition by subtraction, if we needed that we would amnesty bargnani. this team,without bargnani, is worse. period. derozan's game without bargnani will suffer, do not doubt that for a second. and you know, lowry's will too I think. just not enough range in this team without bargnani. Shooters get into slumps. his shot will come back. for 6 years, if we've seen one thing from bargnani, it's an elite or near elite offence.

we lose in this trade. big time

dfunkie1 11-16-2012 04:22 PM

i don't amare is an all-star at this point. his contract is grossly overpaid for what he brings and there's no insurance on his contract. it's too much of a risk for ownership. i think he's going to be what elton brand became in his later years. decent, but an enormous cap killer. i wouldn't curse a team outside of new york with that. dude is getting paid 20 million.

VanCity 11-16-2012 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever (Post 704341)
First off, I know it's a risk.... but like the old saying goes "With great risk comes great reward".

With the Knicks playing as well as they are right now with Amare out of the lineup (and I honestly can't see him being ok coming off the bench when he comes back) you'd have to think that the time might be right to think about grabbing him.

Lord knows the Knicks want some cap relief and we can offer some in Jose so I was thinking about a deal along these lines....

Amare + Prigioni

for

Bargs + Jose


They get relief and a PF in return who'd be fine coming off the pine (I'd imagine) for that team.

We get an all-star PF and a decent replacement at the back up PG spot for Jose. Prigioni can ball.


Worst comes to absolute worst, Amare's contract runs the same length as Bargs'. And even if his knee was completely fugged and he never played another game for us we'd have clear minutes for Ed, Jonas, Amir and Kleiza up front and we'd have Prigioni there to keep the PG spot stable.

TBH, at this point I think it's addition by subtraction with Bargs and if Amare could come back and remain healthy for most of his remaining contract.... DD, Lowry and him? We shouldn't have any problems scoring the ball then. And Jonas would fit alongside Amare beautifully.

Thoughts?

wow, i actually agree with torap :lol: I have been thinking about this for a while. We might have to get them to somehow take back fields.

Amare will consistently give you 20/10 and Valanciunas playing beside him would be a good fit for both.

I am officially off the bargnani bandwagon after 6 season. BC has been blindly supporting Bargs for years and now its time to move on.

pzabby 11-16-2012 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dfunkie1 (Post 704350)
i don't amare is an all-star at this point. his contract is grossly overpaid for what he brings and there's no insurance on his contract. it's too much of a risk for ownership. i think he's going to be what elton brand became in his later years. decent, but an enormous cap killer. i wouldn't curse a team outside of new york with that. dude is getting paid 20 million.

and more later on

pzabby 11-16-2012 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VanCity (Post 704352)
wow, i actually agree with torap :lol: I have been thinking about this for a while. We might have to get them to somehow take back fields.

Amare will consistently give you 20/10 and Valanciunas playing beside him would be a good fit for both.

I am officially off the bargnani bandwagon after 6 season. BC has been blindly supporting Bargs for years and now its time to move on.

ridiculous insinuation given his injury and performance last year

VanCity 11-16-2012 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pzabby (Post 704354)
ridiculous insinuation given his injury and performance last year

He would arguable be a no. 1 option on this team, you dont think he could put up 20 a game?. Weather you like him or not, he is almost unstoppable on the offensive end.

pzabby 11-16-2012 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VanCity (Post 704355)
He would arguable be a no. 1 option on this team, you dont think he could put up 20 a game?. Weather you like him or not, he is almost unstoppable on the offensive end.

people say that about Bargnani. is he doing it? nothing's a guarantee, and coming off an injury like that? and with lowry here I don't think he'd be a number 1 option here necessarily. they'd be 1a/1b with derozan being almost a 1c if his development keeps going. if Val get's to be as good as advertised, he could even be a 1D. and when fields comes along at a super star rate, 1E! what a problem to have huh?

bjjs 11-16-2012 04:39 PM

Prigioni > Jose
Amare = Bargs

We win.

carp 11-16-2012 04:44 PM

To the original poster.... YAY, we'd have clear minutes for our bench players!

I think Amare is awesome, but he's not even playing. It's too much to give up for a guy that has a ruptured cyst in his knee. But the Prigioni guy sounds really good just looking at his name, he must be another soft euro!

:cookie:

LKeet6 11-16-2012 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bjjs (Post 704359)
Prigioni > Jose
Amare = Bargs

We win.

yeah, it's just that simple.

for a start prigioni is not better than jose.

then we have the fact that bargs is what, 3 years younger than amare? and on about 8mill less per year? And although bargs has lots of niggly injuries, he has no major concerns.

plus we need a SF!

we lose.

Don Vito 11-16-2012 04:51 PM

Going for Amare is addressing the wrong issue, we need a SF... not a PF.

VanCity 11-16-2012 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pzabby (Post 704358)
people say that about Bargnani. is he doing it? nothing's a guarantee, and coming off an injury like that? and with lowry here I don't think he'd be a number 1 option here necessarily. they'd be 1a/1b with derozan being almost a 1c if his development keeps going. if Val get's to be as good as advertised, he could even be a 1D. and when fields comes along at a super star rate, 1E! what a problem to have huh?

Ummm, please dont compare to amare to bargnani. Not looking at the salaries, it not even close. Amare has proven it over a very long time compared to barg's 13 games. I would take amare over bargnani 10 out of 10 times.

Consistency > Bargnani

TORaptor4Ever 11-16-2012 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pzabby (Post 704354)
ridiculous insinuation given his injury and performance last year

Ridiculous insinuation?

Given what you just said about Bargnani's "elite-level offense"? :confused2:

Amare is a PROVEN all-star who scored 25/night as little as 2 years ago. He's also a career 53% shooter and grabs almost 9 rebs/gm.

Even LAST season when he was pretty bad for the Knicks he avgd about 17 & 8 on 48% shooting.

Compare that to Bargs' BEST season... 21 & 5 on 45% shooting.

Again... I acknowledge that it's a bit of a gamble but this would also show Lowry that we're serious about competing and would probably go a long way when it comes to convincing him to re-sign.

It's either this... or a play for Eric Gordon IMO.

Those are moves that are going to get us OFF this treadmill.


Quote:

Originally Posted by LKeet6 (Post 704363)
yeah, it's just that simple.

for a start prigioni is not better than jose.

then we have the fact that bargs is what, 3 years younger than amare? and on about 8mill less per year? And although bargs has lots of niggly injuries, he has no major concerns.

plus we need a SF!

we lose.

We lose? Why?

Bargs is younger, yes.... and cheaper.... for a REASON. He sucks!

Fields is here for another 2-3 years whether we like it or not. So is Ross. So is DD. One of them can end up playing the SF spot.

finstock 11-16-2012 05:04 PM

Question. The Raptors would be able to amnesty Amare in the off season, yes? If he's a total lemon. Guess my question is, can you use your amnesty on somebody you didn't sign?

If so, I'd think about this deal. Except substitute Shumpert for Prignoni.

LKeet6 11-16-2012 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finstock (Post 704369)
Question. The Raptors would be able to amnesty Amare in the off season, yes? If he's a total lemon. Guess my question is, can you use your amnesty on somebody you didn't sign?

If so, I'd think about this deal. Except substitute Shumpert for Prignoni.

no you can't.


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