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Old 11-16-2012, 05:20 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I believe if the player is traded he can't be amnestied by his new team
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Old 11-16-2012, 05:25 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Ridiculous insinuation?

Given what you just said about Bargnani's "elite-level offense"?

Amare is a PROVEN all-star who scored 25/night as little as 2 years ago. He's also a career 53% shooter and grabs almost 9 rebs/gm.

Even LAST season when he was pretty bad for the Knicks he avgd about 17 & 8 on 48% shooting.

Compare that to Bargs' BEST season... 21 & 5 on 45% shooting.

Again... I acknowledge that it's a bit of a gamble but this would also show Lowry that we're serious about competing and would probably go a long way when it comes to convincing him to re-sign.

It's either this... or a play for Eric Gordon IMO.

Those are moves that are going to get us OFF this treadmill.




We lose? Why?

Bargs is younger, yes.... and cheaper.... for a REASON. He sucks!

Fields is here for another 2-3 years whether we like it or not. So is Ross. So is DD. One of them can end up playing the SF spot.
we lose coz we bet it all on a guy who's probably (just my opinion,) on the downward slide in his career, very questionable injury situation and changing a position we already have decent options in when we need a SF.

i'm not saying it's a terrible trade or that it CAN'T work but imo the odds are against and i definitely wouldn't do it.

bargs is so frustrating and i think we should trade him for someone who fits better but not a 30yr old PF on 18mill per year.
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Old 11-16-2012, 05:27 PM   #23 (permalink)
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yeah, it's just that simple.

for a start prigioni is not better than jose.

then we have the fact that Bargs is what, 3 years younger than amare? and on about 8mill less per year? And although Bargs has lots of niggly injuries, he has no major concerns.

plus we need a SF!

we lose.
All points I agree with.
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Old 11-16-2012, 05:41 PM   #24 (permalink)
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So Orlando amnestied Arenas and New York used the provision on Billups. Unless I'm missing something we could theoretically amnesty Stat.
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Old 11-16-2012, 05:47 PM   #25 (permalink)
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So Orlando amnestied Arenas and New York used the provision on Billups. Unless I'm missing something we could theoretically amnesty Stat.
No... They were both under contract for that team when the amnesty became available.

If we didn't have that player on this team during the forming of the new CBA, you can't amnesty them.

This has been said half a billion times on here now, not tryin to be a dick, jus sayin.
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Old 11-16-2012, 05:48 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Amnesty works on contracts before the new CBA only, no?
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Old 11-16-2012, 05:48 PM   #27 (permalink)
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^^^ Gotcha, thanks for clarification. I'm a lot slow.
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Old 11-16-2012, 05:51 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Ridiculous insinuation?

Given what you just said about Bargnani's "elite-level offense"?

Amare is a PROVEN all-star who scored 25/night as little as 2 years ago. He's also a career 53% shooter and grabs almost 9 rebs/gm.

Even LAST season when he was pretty bad for the Knicks he avgd about 17 & 8 on 48% shooting.

Compare that to Bargs' BEST season... 21 & 5 on 45% shooting.

Again... I acknowledge that it's a bit of a gamble but this would also show Lowry that we're serious about competing and would probably go a long way when it comes to convincing him to re-sign.

It's either this... or a play for Eric Gordon IMO.

Those are moves that are going to get us OFF this treadmill.




We lose? Why?

Bargs is younger, yes.... and cheaper.... for a REASON. He sucks!

Fields is here for another 2-3 years whether we like it or not. So is Ross. So is DD. One of them can end up playing the SF spot.
Bargs is a different player than Amare and both are paid for what they bring. The problem I have with Amare is his game is predicated on his athleticism and at 30 he's played a hard 10 NBA years - his body seems to be breaking down. All the knee surgeries and 'tweaks' and such, I'd be concerned about getting anything of long term value - even short term value.

Gonna burst yer bubble there but DD, LF and Ross are not SF's.
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Old 11-16-2012, 05:56 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Question. The Raptors would be able to amnesty Amare in the off season, yes? If he's a total lemon. Guess my question is, can you use your amnesty on somebody you didn't sign?

If so, I'd think about this deal. Except substitute Shumpert for Prignoni.
NY won't let Shumpert go anywhere.
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Old 11-16-2012, 06:02 PM   #30 (permalink)
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NY won't let Shumpert go anywhere.
I would covet him as well. But if the Knicks want a PF to spread the floor for Melo, Bargs is the perfect fit, at half the salary of Stat. too. And Chandler is the prototypical center to pair him with. However, I don't see the Knicks making changes unless they begin to flounder.
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Old 11-16-2012, 06:05 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Trading Calderon’s expiring in a package for a wing player is presently the most pressing need for our team. If that fails, I don’t mind exploring a trade for a PF.I would first try for a larger three team trade involving Gasol to the Raps. I think with the Dantoni hiring, contract aside, there has to be some level of interest with Amare. When healthy, there's no question that he will fit in nicely with Nash. Incorporating the Lakers into a larger three team deal involving Bargs to NY, Stoudermire going to LA, Gasol to TOR, as the centerpieces with other players and picks involved if needed is probably better for us. Gasol's rebounding, defense, and inside game is surely an upgrade. Not to mention, he only has 2 years left on his contract, preserving cap space for us in 2014 with some good free agents at the wing position available (Deng, Iggy if he opts in this yr). I think the Lakers want to preserve cap space for 2014 as well so it may not get done.

With respect to an Amrare to Raps deal, we can't ignore the fact that including this year, Amare is going to be making approximately 65 million dollars over 3 years. Health issues aside, that's a lot of money to commit to one player. However, I don't mind trading for Amare in a modified version of the OP's trade proposal. As a prerequisite, I would require packaging Fields’ horrible contract with Kleiza/Amir and Bargnani for Amare and would take Shumpert back instead of Prig. This gives the Knicks considerable cap relief in the final year. If they're concerned with more immediate relief, perhaps trading Kleiza away for an expiring like Luke Walton. This trade allows us to keep Calderon's expiring as a trade chip. With all that money already committed for 2013, if no trade for the past rumoured wing players is available, I would ship Calderon to the Mavs for Marion, Crowder, and a pick. This works for the Mavs as they want maximum cap space to make a run for Howard and Paul. Our cap space is already hamstrung with the addition of Amare or Gasol, and if we acquire Gasol instead of Amare, that would be a lot of cap room to work with in 2014.
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:30 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Wow. Cannot believe this topic is being discussed seriously.

It's like Jermaine O Neal all over again..
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:35 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:36 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Going for Amare is addressing the wrong issue, we need a SF... not a PF.
Highly agree!!!

This thread Is Silly we have like 6 pfs on This team...
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:45 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Bargnani in NY........that wouldn't end well. lol
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:52 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Prigioni > Jose
Amare = Bargs

We win.
Except amare makes 20 million and Bargnani 10.... he's older and comes with major injury risks

Let's put it like this, if it was legal, they would give us 5 million just to take him off their hands ...
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:53 PM   #37 (permalink)
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TROLOLOLOL
On ESPN TRADEMACHINE, i just did this hahahha

Toronto
Chandler
Iguadala
Faried

Nuggets
Bargs
Calderon
Davis

Lowry/Lucas
DeRozan/Ross
Iggy/kleiza
Faried/chandler
JV/Johnson

Got us plus 15 wins and them negative 15, I dont know how it was accepted....
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Old 11-16-2012, 08:38 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Highly agree!!!

This thread Is Silly we have like 6 pfs on This team...
We passed on Drummond because "we had too many bigs".....

... and now people aren't interested in Amare for the same reason??

Seriously?

I love Amir and Jonas but ANY other "big" on this roster is easily replaceable.

I would love to get Shumpert back as part of the deal but I'd be SHOCKED if NYK let him go. I also couldn't see them taking back Fields.... could be wrong though.

Again... this is a move that's geared around not just MAKING the playoffs, but possibly winning a round and perhaps even going further. It's also geared towards keeping Lowry.

My worst fear? That we'll stand pat, keep Bargs and Lowry will bolt (Jose will also be gone) leaving us with DD, Jonas and not much else.

As I said before I wouldn't be opposed to making a play for E. Gordon either.

To those saying that Fields, DD and Ross aren't SFs.... that's true.... but all 3 of those guys aren't going to play SG. Someone's going to have to sacrifice (unless we deal 1). DD's not going anywhere. Neither is Fields with his new contract.... so I guess it becomes... can we deal Ross in a package for a SF?

I honestly wouldn't care if we got Amare. I'd be fine with 1 of those 3 (and Kleiza) manning the 3-spot.
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Old 11-16-2012, 08:49 PM   #39 (permalink)
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TROLOLOLOL
On ESPN TRADEMACHINE, i just did this hahahha

Toronto
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Iguadala
Faried

Nuggets
Bargs
Calderon
Davis

Lowry/Lucas
DeRozan/Ross
Iggy/kleiza
Faried/chandler
JV/Johnson

Got us plus 15 wins and them negative 15, I dont know how it was accepted....
It was accepted because the salaries match, not because it's a fair trade.
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Old 11-16-2012, 09:00 PM   #40 (permalink)
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This would have JO written all over it. Don't you think we learned from our mistakes?
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