Is there a way to fix the referees?
Old 11-08-2009, 05:55 AM   #1 (permalink)
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look at this replay, and check out marion's 'layup' that's a result of a steal @ 25th second.

Am i the only one that sees something wrong with his 'layup' ?

NBA refs are horrible, and players or coaches can't speak up because they get fined if they do, why shouldn't we as spectators speak up?

I know i don't enjoy missed calls, miscalls, and complete momentum changes due to referees.
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Old 11-08-2009, 07:06 AM   #2 (permalink)
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It looked like Marion shuffled his feet before the dunk. The refs usually only call that stuff when a player is being guarded tightly and might gain a huge advantage. This goes both ways, though. Some refs decide to let certain things go, while other refs decide to call everything. The important thing is that a particular reffing crew is consistent, so that the players know what to expect and can adjust accordingly. The other night in New Orleans, the refs would have called that a travel. The refs were calling everything on Friday. The important thing is that they were consistent and made calls against both teams for similar violations. That way the refs don't give anybody an advantage that drastically impacts the game. Seriously, the refs could be stopping the game a lot more if they called every infraction. If you go back and watch tonight's game closely, you'll notice that after the Mavs' made buckets Bosh never goes completely out of bounds when tossing the ball in to Jose. He usually had a foot on the line. Bosh did that over and over. According to the rules, Bosh should have been called for a violation. Like I said, it goes both ways. Disrupting the flow of the game by calling everything is not something the league wants.
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Old 11-08-2009, 07:23 AM   #3 (permalink)
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It looked like Marion shuffled his feet before the dunk.
that's just wrong man, just the fact that mentally you don't see it as wrong is making me squirm.

so if someone isn't guarded they can just hold the ball in two hands and run wherever they want? that makes absolutely no sense.

and the 'it goes both ways' argument is just pure bollocks. there are so many games where the momentum is tipped for the more popular team by the refs that i don't even remember specific games where horrible things were called...

all i will say is, the first few games i watched of toronto (including the cavaliers game) were full of extremely biased calls AGAINST the raptors, which hurts our team tremendously.

it doesn't matter how good your offense or defense is when Bargnani gets called for a foul every time his jersey brushes on someone from the opposing team.
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that's just wrong man, just the fact that mentally you don't see it as wrong is making me squirm.

so if someone isn't guarded they can just hold the ball in two hands and run wherever they want? that makes absolutely no sense.

and the 'it goes both ways' argument is just pure bollocks. there are so many games where the momentum is tipped for the more popular team by the refs that i don't even remember specific games where horrible things were called...

all i will say is, the first few games i watched of toronto (including the cavaliers game) were full of extremely biased calls AGAINST the raptors, which hurts our team tremendously.

it doesn't matter how good your offense or defense is when Bargnani gets called for a foul every time his jersey brushes on someone from the opposing team.

Okay, dude, you need to chillax. If my random opinion is capable of making you "squirm", then it's time for you to get some perspective on life. Yes, there are moments when momentum is tipped. But if you read my post carefully, you'd notice that I said the key to good reffing is consistency. If they're going to make certain calls, it has to go both ways. If they're going to let certain things go, both sides have to be allowed to make their respective violations. Nice hyperbole. No, I didn't say people can run wherever they want. I implied that if a player is going to score uncontested, but takes an extra step to make an approach for a dunk, the refs will likely decide to let it go, since an advantage wasn't gained. Marion could have easily scored without traveling.

Dude, go back and watch the game. Bosh never steps completely out of bounds when passing the ball inbounds off a made bucket. The refs could have called all kinds of ridiculous shit against us, but they never did. The Raps did not lose this game because of the refs, but rather because they couldn't play defense. When Marion shuffled his feet it was still the first quarter. We went on to get a lead well after that play. We were up 25-20 on one point. The non-call did not provide the Mavs with momentum, but the Raps lack of D sure did help. So, you're wrong on that point.

Yes, Bargs has had calls against him, but so have opposing players. For the record, last night, Bargs had a grand total of....wait for it.....1 foul against Dallas. In total, over the last 3 games, Bargs has been called for 8 fouls, that's less than 3 a game. Yup, it's a conspiracy against Bargs. You nailed it. Great job, Sherlock. Also, I'd like to remind you that Bosh came into last night's game averaging 15 FTA per game. As a team the Raps were averaging well over 30 FTA a game. Last night, the Raps got to the line more than Dallas. Like I said, the calls can go both ways. The refs have been very generous to some of the Raps, so far. Hello, Mcfly!
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Old 11-08-2009, 09:22 AM   #5 (permalink)
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i dont think nba refs are fixing games this early in the season
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The funny thing is, Terry kinda walked before the pass too (though you could argue he was just using the new NBA "2-step" rule).

That Marion play was definitely a travel; the refs seem to be giving more leeway on fast break plays like that this season. Hedo did that once this season, too.

I do agree that 3 steps is too many though.

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Old 11-08-2009, 11:37 AM   #7 (permalink)
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i dont think nba refs are fixing games this early in the season
Is this the only reason you don't think so? I am squirming...
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Old 11-08-2009, 02:58 PM   #8 (permalink)
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If you really wanted to get freaked out about the refs, read these excerpts from Donaghy's book. If he's telling the truth, it's completely nuts:

Link: Excerpts From The Book The NBA Doesn't Want You To Read - Tim Donaghy - Deadspin
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Refereeing is inconsistent and sometimes biased. They are people too.

Worst calls I can remember were in game 1 v NJ 2007 playoffs at ACC. First quarter, Parker gets hit hard across the arms on a three-point corner attempt, ball misses the basket by 6 feet. Right in front of the ref (right in front of where I sit) No call. Happens again in the same quarter on the other side. No call again.

Watching the Lakers/ Thunder game this week, it sure looked like the refs were leaning heavily on giving calls to the Lakers. Some very strange possession calls. Gave the Lakers their chance to win.

At least if you are at the game you can yell b*llsh1t at the refs.
It has an impact after a while.
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Old 11-17-2009, 11:54 PM   #10 (permalink)
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you guys are too apologetic of completely inexcusable bullshit calls made every time our team plays, i dont know, but to me it looks like u have no spines and don't want to say anything about the nba refs because they might bite you...

well let me tell you somethin, if u were working for the NBA and u bs'd, u may have had some comeupins, but here they can't touch you, so why not just admit that most of the refs in the NBA are old idiots that can't see and always give calls to the favorite team to win that night.
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comeupins?
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Old 11-17-2009, 11:57 PM   #12 (permalink)
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i personally just think the nba is fixed in that way, they give all the calls to the 'elite' teams with the big stars that provide them with all their money and so they have to give them all the calls so those teams and players are successful
and therefore in our case, the Raptors are near the bottom of the list when it comes to the nba refs giving us the calls
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NBA officials are officially shit
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Here's a novel concept: How about calling a foul, a foul? You hear commentators on the sport talking about 'earning' the respect of the referees. What the hell? Is it a foul, or is it not? It's the same sort of bullshit in baseball. During the playoffs, they had that cool strike zone graphic, and so many times, it would show a strike when one wasn't called, or a ball, etc. "A veteran would get that call..." and it's like, why is this a matter of referee opinion or favouritism? A rule's a rule and it's unfair to the fans of, say, a young team, to be punished because their players haven't been around as long as some others.
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all reffing, in all sports, is going to be subjective at times. there are borderline calls that need to be made in a split second, and when a ref is unsure he's going to have to give the benefit of the doubt. 9 times out of 10 that's going to go to the more established player, especially in baseball where it's just about a hitter and a pitcher. they're not computers, and not every call is straight forward, especially when you don't get the advantage of camera angles and you're caught up in the heat of the moment on the playing surface. i think refs tend to get a raw deal. their job is extremely difficult and they are under significant pressure. sometimes they blow it, and i think that certainly happened in denver last night, but most of the time i think they tend to do a very good job. basketball is one of the most difficult games to ref because many more calls are in the grey borderline area.
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all reffing, in all sports, is going to be subjective at times. there are borderline calls that need to be made in a split second, and when a ref is unsure he's going to have to give the benefit of the doubt. 9 times out of 10 that's going to go to the more established player, especially in baseball where it's just about a hitter and a pitcher. they're not computers, and not every call is straight forward, especially when you don't get the advantage of camera angles and you're caught up in the heat of the moment on the playing surface. i think refs tend to get a raw deal. their job is extremely difficult and they are under significant pressure. sometimes they blow it, and i think that certainly happened in denver last night, but most of the time i think they tend to do a very good job. basketball is one of the most difficult games to ref because many more calls are in the grey borderline area.

I agree but you never really see in other sports stars getting as much calls as in the NBA. The NBA the star calling is blatant. So blatant the announcers even flat out say it. Just because its common knowledge doesn't really make it right. Yes I guess you do get a bit of it in MLB pitchers but the NBA its so easy to reverse plays it has to make you think.

Also, I remember the 2005 playoffs where Wade got every call known to man in the finals. Maybe its just me but roll the tape and check it out.

I must say I know Basketball is rather difficult to officiate but the mockery Stern and his boys made of it in the NBA is laughable.
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well.. yesterday raps were doing fine until the referees made their little run and screwed up the game for them

like 4 bad calls in a row, mellow slaps the ball out of Calderons arm then elbows Calderon then Calderon gets called for the foul.. that is BS
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on the call's Bosh should get..
i guess the mentality of the ref's is that they know Bosh is always considering the foul whenever he goes up for the basket.. don't get me wrong though he should get those calls.. but at the same time the ref's have to set their limit on how many times he'll be sent to the line.. or at least consider the degree of the foul if it's soft or not

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on the call's Bosh should get..
i guess the mentality of the ref's is that they know Bosh is always considering the foul whenever he goes up for the basket.. don't get me wrong though he should get those calls.. but at the same time the ref's have to set their limit on how many times he'll be sent to the line.. or at least consider the degree of the foul if it's soft or not

agree/disgree?
I think Bosh gets enough calls given to him I'd say so I dunno what you mean by "limit" he is leading the league in FTs per game
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well not necessarily limit, but the more focused on the how hard the foul is at times... maybe they think hes just overexaggerating the call he wants lmfao
I dunno I'm ending this part of the convo. Bosh gets his Free Throws end of story LOL
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