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Andre Drummond 30 58.82%
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Old 12-10-2012, 03:36 PM   #61 (permalink)
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you have to be 19 to be drafted in this day and age, so he was actually 19...but we're splitting hairs here...
my bad... but yeah, the growth he's shown since then can kind of be relative to the growth Ross has shown in college. I think it's not a stretch to consider both still growing but also much closer to what they will be as well.
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Old 12-10-2012, 03:49 PM   #62 (permalink)
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This isnt close. Drummond is going to be a very good defensive center, with potential to be a good to very good offensive player as well. His impact on the game will be much larger than Ross, unless Ross does turn in to a Ray Allen clone, which is highly unlikely. Just another mistake by BC.
Drummond will easily be a double-double and block machine even if he doesn't maximize his potential.

Fans in Detroit are wanting him to start now and heaven-forbid how one-sided the Ross vs. Drummond debate will look when Drummond starts and is putting up double-doubles left and right. The only legit knock on Drummond now is he is a horrific FT shooter. Even then, he could end up becoming another DeAndre Jordan.

Forgot to mention he's only 19!!! Oh, and he's already grabbed more rebounds in a game this year than Bargnani.
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Old 12-10-2012, 04:01 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Drummond will easily be a double-double and block machine even if he doesn't maximize his potential.

Fans in Detroit are wanting him to start now and heaven-forbid how one-sided the Ross vs. Drummond debate will look when Drummond starts and is putting up double-doubles left and right. The only legit knock on Drummond now is he is a horrific FT shooter. Even then, he could end up becoming another DeAndre Jordan.

Forgot to mention he's only 19!!! Oh, and he's already grabbed more rebounds in a game this year than Bargnani.
i grab more rebounds than Bargnani while watching Raptors games on tv..
Dude is very inconsistent this not as one sided as you make it seem, time will show but Ed was a double double machine in the making. Drummond is pretty much done developing physically, so the only way for him to reach that potential is to develop his skill set, harder done than said..
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What 19 year old rookie is completely consistent and unable to develop skills? If anything Drummond will develop faster because he doesn't have to get stronger much. The guy has an amazing NBA body like a young Shaq.

You're entitled to your opinion on the matter, but I really don't think it's close. Drummond is undeniably a better prospect. I hope he doesn't become a star and I really, really hope it doesn't come out years down the line that Colangelo passed on him because we had Bargs.
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Old 12-10-2012, 04:17 PM   #65 (permalink)
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i grab more rebounds than Bargnani while watching Raptors games on tv..
Dude is very inconsistent this not as one sided as you make it seem, time will show but Ed was a double double machine in the making. Drummond is pretty much done developing physically, so the only way for him to reach that potential is to develop his skill set, harder done than said..
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What 19 year old rookie is completely consistent and unable to develop skills? If anything Drummond will develop faster because he doesn't have to get stronger much. The guy has an amazing NBA body like a young Shaq.

You're entitled to your opinion on the matter, but I really don't think it's close. Drummond is undeniably a better prospect. I hope he doesn't become a star and I really, really hope it doesn't come out years down the line that Colangelo passed on him because we had Bargs.
Drummond is a terrible passer, terrible ft shooter, rotations are slow and is extremely raw on O. Having 0.4 apg = ball go in, ball don't come out. Drummond will hurt his team with selfish play, when he decides to play; plus add a FT% worse than Howard = hack-a-Drummond. Drummond is nothing more than a massive liability in the 4th. IMO, Ross with be the superior player in a short while.

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Old 12-10-2012, 04:53 PM   #66 (permalink)
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everyone is making the decision to have Drummond based on our 4-17 start with a no rebounding Bargs who isn't playing well... the question should be who would you have selected during the draft... knowing that Val was coming in, and a questionable sg at the time in DD

who could have predicted that we start so bad, and that Bargs would be struggling this much
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I think it has more to do with Drummond being considered a better prospect but pretty much every analyst. He was considered the consensus #2 in the draft until the motor issues brought him down. It's hard to argue Ross has shown more than him so far as well.
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Old 12-10-2012, 05:12 PM   #68 (permalink)
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In terms of where I think they WILL end up as players, I think it's a no brainer. Ross is nice. But Drummond athletically is just as impressive as any big man in several decades. Lateral movement for that body mass..... astonishing. And his effort? so far so good.

It's still a learning process, but he looks like he's on his way to being a superstar.

BUT where WOULD Drummond be as a player right now and in the future had the Raptors drafted him? Would the Raptors be able to develop him as well? That's another question, and I'm not sure about the answer.
The Pistons have strong veteran leadership, a very unselfish group of players, a very unselfish, supportive star (Monroe), multiple hardworking guys. I like that learning environment a lot, and to be honest, I don't love the Raptors body language right now, I doubt the leadership on this team, and I suspect it would be a worse place to develop someone like Drummond.

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Old 12-10-2012, 05:17 PM   #69 (permalink)
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Pre Draft: I hoped for Lillard to drop to #8
At The Selection: I hoped they selected Rivers
Now,20 games in: Drummond over Ross.

Ross hasn't really impressed me,but I didn't expect much from him and think he hasn't got enough time to display his skills and develop a rhythm. It can be argued that Ross presence forced DeRozan to improve but I believe Demar was always headed upward anyway and now he won't lose that starting 2 spot to Ross. Drummond would've provided more options up front.
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Pre Draft: I hoped for Lillard to drop to #8
At The Selection: I hoped they selected Rivers
Now,20 games in: Drummond over Ross.
Lillard dropping would have been great and I wanted Rivers as well. Regarding Drummond, a couple of flashes hasn't convinced me the Raps should have taken him with their pick. Drummond fell for a reason and NOT just issues about his motor as Flo suggests. Besides a questionable motor (all his career), Drummond does not pass well and at 39% FT is a major liability (and don't tell me he can learn to shoot - only player I've ever seem go from shit to decent at the FT line was Malone, and Drummond is no where near Malone's skill level or drive level).

Reality is after the first 6 picks, everyone else can have an argument made for why they would be a good and bad pick.
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Lillard dropping would have been great and I wanted Rivers as well. Regarding Drummond, a couple of flashes hasn't convinced me the Raps should have taken him with their pick. Drummond fell for a reason and NOT just issues about his motor as Flo suggests. Besides a questionable motor (all his career), Drummond does not pass well and at 39% FT is a major liability (and don't tell me he can learn to shoot - only player I've ever seem go from shit to decent at the FT line was Malone, and Drummond is no where near Malone's skill level or drive level).

Reality is after the first 6 picks, everyone else can have an argument made for why they would be a good and bad pick.
If Toronto lost to New jersey on the final game of the season,things would be more promising.....between Barnes or Lillard.

Anyway,to be honest I never was high on Drummond myself and still not. I do believe he has more value than Ross because of his size,so he would've been a great trade chip. Everything you said shouldn't be disputed.
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If Toronto lost to New jersey on the final game of the season,things would be more promising.....between Barnes or Lillard.

Anyway,to be honest I never was high on Drummond myself and still not. I do believe he has more value than Ross because of his size,so he would've been a great trade chip. Everything you said shouldn't be disputed.
if that had happened, the argument right now would probably be why didn't we pick barnes or lillard depending on who we took since the fanbase is so damn fickle. give it at least a season before making judgements.. sheesh. Bosh was terrible in his rookie year too, putting that out there
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if that had happened, the argument right now would probably be why didn't we pick barnes or lillard depending on who we took since the fanbase is so damn fickle. give it at least a season before making judgements.. sheesh. Bosh was terrible in his rookie year too, putting that out there
Lol,you're so right. I can't argue with that.

What I will say though,at the time Lillard or Barnes would've made sense either way because I franchise PG or a legit SF (prospect or proven) was desperately needed. It would be hard to argue against either selection regardless of performance. With Ross tho,we all knew he was gonna play SG,which they already had a reasonable starter in. Yea,we got Ross now so we just gotta see how it works.
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If Toronto lost to New jersey on the final game of the season,things would be more promising.....between Barnes or Lillard.
Really though, take this in right now guys...
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Lillard dropping would have been great and I wanted Rivers as well. Regarding Drummond, a couple of flashes hasn't convinced me the Raps should have taken him with their pick. Drummond fell for a reason and NOT just issues about his motor as Flo suggests. Besides a questionable motor (all his career), Drummond does not pass well and at 39% FT is a major liability (and don't tell me he can learn to shoot - only player I've ever seem go from shit to decent at the FT line was Malone, and Drummond is no where near Malone's skill level or drive level).

Reality is after the first 6 picks, everyone else can have an argument made for why they would be a good and bad pick.
1. A questionable motor "all of his career"? His career just started....

2. Please feel free to list all of the NBA big men who came into the league as great passers from Day 1. I'll wait.

3. FT shooting... is bad right now... yes. But it's ridiculous to think that he'll shoot that badly forever. The guy is 19 freaking years old! WTF???


Why do you have such a beef with this kid?
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Ross slightly reminds me of T-Mac, his handles needs to get much better though
He reminds me of a 6'7" Chris Bosh with more hops. No where near t-mac.
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He reminds me of a 6'7" Chris Bosh with more hops. No where near t-mac.
you're just straight up trolling, and if you're not, I have no clue how you're a "specialist"
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Really though, take this in right now guys...
So, who should've gone into the locker-room with the baseball bat during the half-time of that game?
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