Talent vs Need
Old 03-29-2009, 09:45 AM   #1 (permalink)
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My personal opinion is that you never pass on talent, but there is a valid argument if you are only missing a few pieces to become a contender, hence drafting based on the teams need.

Lets say the Raps could choose Rubio or Griffin
should they pass on them b/c they already have Caldy/Bosh and draft a SG/SF

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Old 03-29-2009, 09:52 AM   #2 (permalink)
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you dont draft somebody at the same position on the off chance they might be better then an allstar you already have unless they are a true bluechip prospect guaranteed to be better, and that's so rare it happens like once every 10 years. If you decide to move Chris or Jose then i could see it happening, but how often do you see an allstar really mentor a guy brought in to take his spot?? It happens, but it's rare.
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No chance you pass on either of Griffin/Rubio if they're available.

But, this team is nowhere near a "contender". Some rookie is not going to put them over the top.

Realistically, the Raps will be picking in the 8th or 9th position. They can probably just draft the best player left.
It all depends on who comes out and who's still on the board. If some of the underclassmen decide to return to school, this already weak draft year gets worse.
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wasting a pick on griffen would be moronic unless you move Bosh 1st
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BPA. Even if you don't want them, draft the best talent on the board and then make a few phone calls to see who's interested in them. Teams that are will give you a little something extra on top of their pick to get their guy.
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Old 03-29-2009, 11:42 AM   #6 (permalink)
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wasting a pick on griffen would be moronic unless you move Bosh 1st
"wasting" a pick on Griffin?????

wasting.

we not talking about choosing, we alking about wasting.....

oh jesus thats rich. I can hear Stern now.

AND WITH THE NUMBER ONE PICK IN THE 2009 NBA ENTRY DRAFT, THE TORONTO Raptors PICK ........ BLAKE GRIFFIN????? HOL:Y SHIT BRIAN< WHAT A WASTE....WAIT, IS THIS THING ON?? **Taps mic** Wow, what a waste of a pick that was!

Yes Ugo, choosing the only NBA ready player in the draft would be SUCH a massive waste.
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lol.

Alway draft Talent over need, always.

Trades will bring you need, the more talent you have-the more you have to trade.



Wasting a pick on Griffin.
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lol.

Alway draft Talent over need, always.

Trades will bring you need, the more talent you have-the more you have to trade.



Wasting a pick on Griffin.
you pick value.

value could be anything, defense, rebounding, scoring, all around...NBA ready, talent, hard work...its all about value, either to you or the other teams in the league.
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I think you should always draft who ever is the best player left. I agree with Sj you can always trade a player that you don't need anymore for someone you do need
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Old 03-29-2009, 12:21 PM   #10 (permalink)
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drafting roy would have been for need, but we chose to draft a power forward who was considered to be potentially the best player available.

2004 we drafted for need and ended up selecting haffa over iggy.

it all really depends on the talent drop-off between the two of them. BPA maximizes your assets and strengthens your bench, while need will secure a position and limit your liabilities. currently, i think we have too many holes to fill not to choose BPA.
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Old 03-29-2009, 01:11 PM   #11 (permalink)
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"wasting" a pick on Griffin?????

wasting.

we not talking about choosing, we alking about wasting.....

oh jesus thats rich. I can hear Stern now.

AND WITH THE NUMBER ONE PICK IN THE 2009 NBA ENTRY DRAFT, THE TORONTO Raptors PICK ........ BLAKE GRIFFIN????? HOL:Y SHIT BRIAN< WHAT A WASTE....WAIT, IS THIS THING ON?? **Taps mic** Wow, what a waste of a pick that was!

Yes Ugo, choosing the only NBA ready player in the draft would be SUCH a massive waste.

yes, use your brain, you dont trade Bosh and you draft Griffen?? Way to alienate your best player by drafting his seeming replacement, im sure he will just go along with whatever sign n trade you have for him then and not put up a stink.

Again, it would be absolutely moronic to draft griffen if Bosh is still here, unless you want internal drama and alienate Bosh aswell as cause some fan made drama if Griffen had a couple good games. No smart GMs do this, you dont disrespect allstars like that unless you dont want them here and they have alot of time left on their deals.

If i were Bosh and we drafted Griffen, i would be just like fine.... good luck waiting for him to become as good as me for the next few years while getting absolutely nothing for me. NBA ready...... this kid is far from a sure shot, he has a chance to be good.
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Considering the talent level on this team, we go for talent.
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imo, you draft the best guy available and then make your decisions on trades afterwards. if you can get griffin, you get him. you can trade Bosh or you can trade griffin afterwards, but you don't turn down the most valuable asset in the draft because you already have a guy at that position.
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yes, use your brain, you dont trade Bosh and you draft Griffen?? Way to alienate your best player by drafting his seeming replacement, im sure he will just go along with whatever sign n trade you have for him then and not put up a stink.

Again, it would be absolutely moronic to draft griffen if Bosh is still here, unless you want internal drama and alienate Bosh aswell as cause some fan made drama if Griffen had a couple good games. No smart GMs do this, you dont disrespect allstars like that unless you dont want them here and they have alot of time left on their deals.

If i were Bosh and we drafted Griffen, i would be just like fine.... good luck waiting for him to become as good as me for the next few years while getting absolutely nothing for me. NBA ready...... this kid is far from a sure shot, he has a chance to be good.
so basically we're not allowed to draft a pg, sf, pf or c because we will alienate our stars? That makes no sense. Why would a multiple all-star player like Bosh be afraid of a rookie?

worst case scenario you get griffin and then use him in a trade or something ....
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If there's one player that I would want to take Bosh's place it's Griffin.

That kid's going to be DAMN good.
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If there's one player that I would want to take Bosh's place it's Griffin.

That kid's going to be DAMN good.
I was blown away by his handle against UNC tonight. That's a really big kid putting the ball between his legs like Timmy Hardaway!
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yes, use your brain, it would be absolutely moronic to draft griffen

NBA ready...... this kid is far from a sure shot.
Wow! Fuckin' wow??

Comments like these are precisely why BC can never win with this fanbase. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

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you dont draft somebody at the same position on the off chance they might be better then an allstar you already have unless they are a true bluechip prospect guaranteed to be better, and that's so rare it happens like once every 10 years. If you decide to move Chris or Jose then i could see it happening, but how often do you see an allstar really mentor a guy brought in to take his spot?? It happens, but it's rare.
LOLLL i seem to remeber BC doing the exact same thing when drafing bargnini who was a power forward while we had bosh. If we get the first just know that BC will draft blake griffen
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the plan was to transform Bargs into a center.

if blake, Bosh and Bargs are all raptors, one of the three would have to be moved. until that day happened, i doubt it would be a joyful ride to be part of.

i'm in the keep Bosh camp. blake will be lucky to end up as good as bosh, and i don't see it yet. also, keep in mind that 1st overall extensions are pricier than 4th overall selections. what happens when Bargs is up? then blake? none of these players scream franchise. what do we do? trade them until the next first overall selection falls into our hands and trade the previous away. the cycle of mediocre.
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