T.O. Sports: What Have You Done For Me Lately?
Old 05-22-2009, 10:22 AM   #1 (permalink)
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A few days ago General Manager of the Toronto Raptors, Bryan Colangelo resigned head coach Jay Triano to a three-year deal.

It’s not so much that the Triano deal bothers me it’s that the deal makes me contemplate what it is the Bryan Colangelo has done as General Manager for the Toronto Raptors since coming in 2006.

Now I know many Raptors fans reading this are already against me because you may feel that Colangelo is the best thing to happen to the Raptors since Damon Stoudamire but if you look at the moves and transactions he’s made since he got here you might understand where I’m coming from.

Now I’m not blaming the Raptors failures simply on Colangelo, I’m simply stating what he’s done, compared to what he could have done.

Trading Charlie Villanueva

To be honest, this was Colangelo’s first mistake and it came in June of 2006. As I explain other deals Colangelo made following this one you will understand that future mistakes stemmed from this deal.

In June 2006 Colangelo traded Charlie Villanueva to the Milwaukee Bucks for point guard T.J Ford.

The Raptors originally picked up T.J after he took a year off due to injury and therefore ran an immediate risk for the Raptors.

In the two seasons prior to coming to Toronto T.J averaged 7.1 points per game in 2003/2004 and 12.2 points per game in 2004/2005.

His only season with the Raptors Charlie V averaged 13 points per game and was a legitimate fan favorite.

This trade went on to bite Colangelo a couple years later when T.J fell to injury and Charlie V continued putting up solid numbers in Milwaukee. This past season Villanueva put up an average of over 16 points per game and T.J is no longer a Raptor.

Drafting Andrea Bargnani

The T.J deal went on to bite Colangelo even harder come the 2007 draft. The Raptors got lucky in winning the lottery and snatching the number one pick. However, because the Raptors point guard spot was already filled by T.J Ford the Raptors went onto draft big Italian Andrea Bargnani over young point guard Brandon Roy.

In his first season Roy’s numbers were better then both T.J and Bargnani’s. Roy averaged close to 17 points per game compared to Bargnani’s 11 per game and T.J’s 14.

Even Roy’s rebounding numbers have been better then Bargnani’s over the course of their careers thus far. Roy is averaging 4.6 rebounds per game and Bargnani averaging 4.3.

Roy now plays shooting guard as apposed to point guard, meaning that if he came to Toronto he would have evolved into a shooting guard, making room in the starting lineup for Jose Calderon at point guard.

This season Brandon Roy led the Portland Trail Blazers to the postseason averaging close to 23 PPG as T.J and Andrea sat at home watching. Not to mention in two playoff appearances thus far in his career Bargnani is only averaging 8.9 points per game.

Jermaine O’Neal Acquisition


Quite frankly I don’t think this deal needs much explanation. Colangelo traded for O’Neal in the summer of 2008 with hopes that he would be another big man that would finally complement Chris Bosh.

The risk of the deal obviously being that O’Neal has been plagued by severe injuries throughout his career.

O’Neal only averaged 13 points per game and 7 rebounds per game in his 41 games as a Toronto Raptor. On February 13th 2009 O’Neal was traded to the Miami Heat along with Jamario Moon in exchange for Shawn Marion and Marcus Banks, which leads me into my next point.

The Marcus Banks Contract

Paul Jay, a writer for CBC.ca explained that the Banks contract could hurt the flexibility of the Raptors in 2010 when big names like Chris Bosh become free agents. Banks will make 9 millions dollars over the next two years and to do what? Banks has averaged just over 6 points per game over the course of his career and will likely provide the Raptors with nothing more then a filled seat on the bench.

Colangelo’s Resume

I understand that when Colangelo first came to Toronto he was considered to be the messiah. But lets face it this messiah we know as Bryan Colangelo has never won a championship and has never led the Raptors past the first round in the playoffs, so I think it’s time we start raising some eyebrows. Especially after the disastrous season we just finished and quite frankly the terrible second half we had the previous season leading into the playoffs.

As I think about what the Raptors need to get back in the winners circle there is only thing that comes to mind:

Onions baby, onions!
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Old 05-22-2009, 10:34 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Ugh......you know, I learned an important lesson in history. It's simple to look at a group of people and say they were wrong.

For e.g. The French revolutionaries were wrong in 1792 when they refused to give women many rights; the 1776 American revolutionaries were wrong when didn't enfranchise all peoples, JFK was wrong between 1960-1962 for not immediately instituting the enfranchisement of all Black Americans.

See, pretty simple to do. But what's wrong in all of those and in this article, is that not understanding context, leads to misled views. Further, by saying IF you did this, it would therefore lead to this, is solely based on revisionist theory. That's my problem here. Where he explicitly says that if you drafted Brandon Roy, he'd no longer play PG, he'd play SG. How so? Because he does so now in Portland? Trading for TJ was a mistake. How so? We had no legit PG when Colangelo came in. Calderon looked lost and Mike James was terrible. TJ had talent and had experience. Hell, one could argue that TJ fostered the development of Jesus Calderon by pushing him. Heck, if not for our strong PG tandem, we likely wouldn't have made the playoffs. But no, let's write some article, let's use some funky history to throw someone under the bus.

Listen, I'm not a huge Colangelo guy anymore but there's a fine line between true criticism and garbage. This sadly falls in the garbage pile.

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Old 05-22-2009, 10:34 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Never won a championship?

What about when he was president of the Arizona Rattlers of the Arena Football League?
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Old 05-22-2009, 10:45 AM   #4 (permalink)
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what a huge mistake to get a young pg with a bright future when we had no good pg's! what a mistake to trade away an underachieving big man when we had a glut of big men! what a mistake to draft a mobile 7 footer with a dominant outside jumper! what a mistake not to draft #1 a guy who dropped down to 7 because the top 6 gm's in the draft had serious questions about him! what a mistake to trade a disguntled pg away after he had major injury problems and wasn't meshing with the team! what a mistake to bring back toughness and rebounding and an expiring $20 mil contract by 2010! what a terrible bunch of errors!



what a lovely luxury hindisght is! what a pleasure it must be to judge after the fact with no responsibility to actually suggest alternatives or explain context!

what a joke...
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Old 05-22-2009, 10:52 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Wow, this guy has some killer hindsight vision.
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Old 05-22-2009, 10:54 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Old 05-22-2009, 11:01 AM   #7 (permalink)
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If you look at the parts he highlighted, most were popular moves when they were made.

-Trading CV- Highly popular, getting a true PG was something we sorely needed at the time.

-Drafting Bargnani- Not an unpopular move at the time and is starting to pay off

-JO aquisition- Overwhelmingly popular at the time, after the move most picked us to be a top 4-6 team in the East

-Marcus Banks contract- The Marion trade was a pretty positive move and the Banks contract had to be involved mainly in order to match salaries.
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Old 05-22-2009, 11:28 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I don't understand why he actually took the time to slag the Raptors for taking on Marcus Banks' contract. We had to take on the contract to bring Shawn Marion over in order to rectify the deal with JO, a deal which doesn't "need much explanation."
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Old 05-22-2009, 11:40 AM   #9 (permalink)
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-Drafting Bargnani- Not an unpopular move at the time and is starting to pay off
I don't remember a damn person suggesting that Brandon Roy was the #1 pick back then. The names being thrown around were LaMarcus Aldridge, Andrea Bargnani, Tyrus Thomas and Adam Morrison. Most people had Roy at five or worse.
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Old 05-22-2009, 01:04 PM   #10 (permalink)
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this guy just needed something to write about making himself look like a idiot in the process
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Old 05-22-2009, 01:36 PM   #11 (permalink)
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cv was the 2nd most popular raptor by far in 2006. I remember feeling down about that trade, despite understanding the circumstances.

But to say that's a bad trade is ridiculous. Even now, TJ is a better player than CV, and if not for that hard foul in Atlanta, he would have huge trade value.

as far as bargnani, drafting him wasn't a popular move either since most fans had no idea who andreea was.

I think it's very obvious that his guy is very biased, and his arguments are pathetic, therefore a completely useless article.
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Old 05-22-2009, 02:13 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Man I hear the revisionist bitching about CV all the time. That one has taken on a life of its own.
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Old 05-22-2009, 03:25 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Here's an FYI for everyone in case they're not up to date on all happenings:

Charlie hits the market this year as a restricted free agent and based on rumors out of Milwaukee, they can only afford to keep one of either him or Ramon Sessions. It sounds, so far, that they feel going the Sessions route is more viable. So, Charlie is probably hitting the market or being moved via a sign and trade.
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Old 05-22-2009, 03:46 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Old 05-22-2009, 04:08 PM   #15 (permalink)
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WOW this guy must've went into time and known all these things weren't going to pay off because the fans and BC sure as hell didn't
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Old 05-22-2009, 08:03 PM   #16 (permalink)
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That random guy for Kris Humpries was genius.
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Old 05-22-2009, 10:30 PM   #17 (permalink)
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So much garbage in a such small article .
What this guy forgets is that Raptors was a regular lottery team. At least for two years, Raptors played some games in playoff. I would take BC over GG any time.
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Old 05-23-2009, 02:12 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Two out of three seasons Colangelo had the Raptors in the playoffs.
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Old 05-23-2009, 05:24 AM   #19 (permalink)
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GG's team was better, flat out
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Old 05-24-2009, 07:51 AM   #20 (permalink)
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How people could write off CV after a very good rookie season is still beyond me.

That beibng said, I understand the line of thinking that pointed to our need for a quality PG more than anything else.
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