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Old 02-27-2008, 08:21 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Drinking/driving?...a touch dramatic are we?

Personally, i would hardly call myself a TJ fanatic. I've actually been a pretty harsh critic of his in the past based on how he has played.

But that's the thing. I know how he played before his injury, and i see how he's playing now. I see the difference. He's definitely put more focus on finding the rest of the team in these last few games. IMO, he's been a different player this week. I know it's a short time, but i can see a change.

Not really sure what change you see. TJ is a scorer thus the shoot first mentality. He went shot happy in the knicks game in the fourth quarter, call it garbage time, I call it a stats builder some call it a ball hog. In the pacers game he takes the most shots and hE misses late in that game which almost cost us. TJ will be TJ .
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Not really sure what change you see. TJ is a scorer thus the shoot first mentality. He went shot happy in the knicks game in the fourth quarter, call it garbage time, I call it a stats builder some call it a ball hog. In the pacers game he takes the most shots and hE misses late in that game which almost cost us. TJ will be TJ .
Some would call it trying to getting their rhythm back.

TJ almost cost us the game? If it weren't for TJ they wouldn't have won the game. lol
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Old 02-27-2008, 09:16 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Not really sure what change you see. TJ is a scorer thus the shoot first mentality. He went shot happy in the knicks game in the fourth quarter, call it garbage time, I call it a stats builder some call it a ball hog. In the pacers game he takes the most shots and hE misses late in that game which almost cost us. TJ will be TJ .
If you read Sam's quotes from today's papers, TJ has been granted more freedom and encouraged more to score with the second unit but painting him like he's shooting every time down the court and looking out for him first and the team later is not fair.
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Old 02-27-2008, 09:38 AM   #44 (permalink)
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Old 02-27-2008, 09:47 AM   #45 (permalink)
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And I have no problem with that - he should shoot more now, so he gets his confidence back. I have a problem calling him "hot" after these 2 games though ... And no, I didn't see any change in his style of play. TJ always looks to penetrate and then:
a. shoot
b. pass on the wings

This is a good thing in itself, but he should really switch a and b's priorities, and don't shy away to passes on the perimetere as well. It's good to drive, but you have to recognise the opportunity. TJ believes he can drive anytime he wants, but that's just an illusion ... That's why you will see very often how TJ is very effective in the first 3 quarters and then fades away sharply at the end of the game.
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Old 02-27-2008, 10:05 AM   #46 (permalink)
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My Friend Neil sent this to me.

I've had this conversation a few times now, and I'm a pretty firm believer that while TJ has some great attributes as a player, as a point guard his contributions are pretty much limited to drive and dish and drive and score. While TJ can carry the offence for stretches, you really can't run a proper NBA offence just doing that. At some point the other side catches on, or TJ stops hitting his ten footers, and we're in trouble. I also find that the offence gets very stagnant when you let TJ play for long stretches. Everyone just spots up and waits for the inevitable dish out to the three point line. Added to this, drive and dish is a high risk, high reward strategy that creates a lot of turnovers. Which brings me to Jose.

Calderon doesn't have TJ's speed, but is superior in just about every other aspect of the game. As a sports fan, one of the toughest things to notice about a player are the things they don't do. In baseball for example, people only talk about a fielder's errors at the end of the year when they notice that their shortstop has an amazing fielding percentage. Same in basketball, that people don't really notice turnovers unless there are a lot of them in a short span. This is why the fact that Jose can play 40 minutes per game and average one and half turnovers is one of the most amazing stats in this years nba season. Combined with an incredibly precise jumpshot and a great ability to find the open man, to me he's a top five point guard. Certainly on the Raptors, where you already have a lot of scoring weapons, he's the perfect fit.


He and I talk a lot of hoops, we agree, toronto can really whip ass with Ford off the bench, and close to, or equal minutes. He has the power of disruption.
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No offense to your friend but that's just one guys opinion and no more relevant than any of ours. I think he like many are putting way too much on this whole assist to turnover thing. No one seems to mind Nash and Kidd making turnovers...why? Because they are aggressive and do things to try and beat the other team's defense...which involves taking risks and penetrating into areas that aren't necessarily low-risk areas. Jose is a very sound and exceptional player but really he could stand to become a bit more aggressive and look for his shot a bit more. He turns down great plays for good ones constantly which he could relax a bit on.

TJ seemed to do a pretty good job running our offence all of last year...if you take out the early part of the season when the 9 new gusy were getting used to each other we would have had over 50 wins with him running the show and not doing all those things your buddy mentions. We have the best 3 point shooting team in the league... I see no problem with the drive and dish method on this team...we dont' have enough talent off the ball on this team..or guys that drive. Go with what works

As for TJ comgin off the bench..it looks liek he's willing to defer for the rest of the seaon(selfish bastard looking out for himself first always that he is) so i guess we'll see how it all shakes down.
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Old 02-27-2008, 10:26 AM   #48 (permalink)
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EDIT: let's not start this stuff here SJ ... your better than that. - Doc



My friend, while having only an "opinion". Is also a 4 year varsity ball vet who could probably coach at that level. Maybe he is an equal, but I like what he brings to the table in experience to back up his claim.
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My friend, while having only an "opinion". Is also a 4 year varsity ball vet who could probably coach at that level. Maybe he is an equal, but I like what he brings to the table in experience to back up his claim.
Blah blah blah...EDIT: stopping petty name calling before this stuff gets out hand. We're adults here. - Doc . Bryan Colangelo, Maurizio Gheradini and Sam Mitchell among others who happen to have a lot more experience at higher levels of basketball seem to think Ford can run an NBA offense and last year is pretty good proof they are correct. BC built his team around TJ and Bosh(and Bargnani) and have done a pretty decent job of it in a pretty short time.
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Old 02-27-2008, 10:54 AM   #50 (permalink)
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Guys ... cool it with the name-calling. We're grown men and can have civil debates and conversations without name-calling and mud slinging.

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Old 02-27-2008, 10:56 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Heh.

Shit apples.

I Love Leahey!!

You're right, but then they have made it quite clear then, that my friends opinion is pretty valid;

Sam:

"Now (coming off the bench), T.J. doesn't have to really worry about making sure Chris and Andrea and those guys get their touches," Mitchell said. "It gives him more freedom to create and look for scoring opportunities, and to play a little bit more free. Because with Chris on the floor, we play a little bit more structured."

EDIT: WTF is in your craw Doc, I can't offer my friends creds? Jesus H.
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EDIT: WTF is in your craw Doc, I can't offer my friends creds? Jesus H.
I don't care if its a quote from the Teletubbies .... respect your peers and it shall be returned. If you don't like it, then please take it elsewhere. I'm not going through this BS with posters again. We can have heated debates and conversations here without resorting to calling members names. Thanks,
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Old 02-27-2008, 11:08 AM   #53 (permalink)
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Heh.

Shit apples.

I Love Leahey!!

You're right, but then they have made it quite clear then, that my friends opinion is pretty valid;

Sam:

"Now (coming off the bench), T.J. doesn't have to really worry about making sure Chris and Andrea and those guys get their touches," Mitchell said. "It gives him more freedom to create and look for scoring opportunities, and to play a little bit more free. Because with Chris on the floor, we play a little bit more structured."
Yes that's the current situation... what happens in the offseason/next year will tell the tale. TJ has taken the pressure off this year by agreeing to come in off the bench. We'll see what the results are of this approach in the win/loss column.

The way i see it whose on the court finishing the game is the guy that should be starting the game...im' curious to see how many games TJ finishes out as the season progresses.
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wonderful.

I have no trouble doing that Doc.
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Old 02-27-2008, 01:09 PM   #55 (permalink)
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TJ is so much more valuable from the bench imo, because he needs to score more in that position. Among the starters, you have bosh, Bargnani and parker as primary scoring options. Calderon only shoots when he's wide open or when everybody is struggling - I really like that aspect of his game. I also like how he mixes, rarely you see Calderon do the same thing twice in a row, which I find very smart.

As for the value of one's opinion, I don't need to remind you that even the brightest basketball minds make mistakes - so one's opinion is never to be taken for granted. I think the main cause for all these discussions we're having is the dramatic difference between their styles, we don't really argue Jose and TJ as much as their style of play.
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Old 02-27-2008, 01:42 PM   #56 (permalink)
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true that.

Forderon are like Maverick and Goose.
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Old 02-27-2008, 03:29 PM   #57 (permalink)
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for the record, i think Jose is completely superior to TJ in all aspect of the game (maybe not defense -but whatever.)

I still like TJ though. and i like him and his game more now than before he went down in ATL. Maybe i just appreciate him more. i don't know.

And of course i think TJ is better suited to come off the bench for this team. That's painfully obviuos.
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And of course i think TJ is better suited to come off the bench for this team. That's painfully obviuos.
It's painfully obvious you think that yes... I would agree
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Old 02-27-2008, 03:31 PM   #59 (permalink)
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Well my mommy says Ford should be back up... god is this what we are reduced to? Friends, well wishers, haters etc etc told me this, let me post it here, it verifys some1 i know that you dont know agrees with me hahahahahaahahahahahahahahahhaha seriously, i dont mind your opinions, but in multiple threads you bring up a friend who happens to be the coolest most knowledgeable could be starting in the nba allstar game or be GM of team usa said this, therefore its undisputeable... haha im sorry i dont mean to insult you personally, but this is beyond lame, give us your opinions not the opinions of your friends, friends, friends cousin who is a coach here and there. Hell my uncle is a coach of a pretty well known summer league in NC, but i dont bring his opinions here. Anyways...

Ford can lose you a game as quickly as he can win you a game, i think thats the drastic difference in the 2 styles, Jose will very very rarely cost u a game will poor decisions.
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Old 02-27-2008, 03:49 PM   #60 (permalink)
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you see.

people can be so kind, and as long as they leave out the swear words, its all good.

Classic.

My apologies for offering what I thought was a very eloquant and thoughtful angle, so much so that I wanted to let your guys read it. As well, my apologies for stating why I thought his view held water, seeing as I was pushed on the issue by another poster. And lastly, sorry that that very comment about his legitamacy in no way offended or degraded anyone here, or thier opinion.

I apologize I guess, for being a stable, grown man who wanted to share a good angle on a topic, and thought to offer a small bit of info as to why I respected the view, and thought it maybe a bit more qualified than my own.
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