Sun-Sentinel: "Reality Is That No One In Toronto Stays"
Old 06-29-2008, 11:16 AM   #1 (permalink)
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:mad: What a freakin' douchebag. I can't imagine the barrage of emails this nimwit is about to get. (Let me help you too: iwinderman@sun-sentinel.com )

SJ, your services might be required again here.

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While most are calling it the Summer of LeBron, common sense indicates it will be an invitation-only affair, with New jersey last week unapologetically discarding Richard Jefferson to get to the front of the 2010 cap-space line should James fall out of love with Cleveland.

No, for the Heat, that never appeared to be the legitimate target of Pat Riley and his own cap-clearance sales. The Heat doesn't need someone taking shots away from Wade; it needs someone to make those shots easier to create.

Enter Bosh, the lithe-but-crafty Olympic power forward who happens to have the same agent as Wade.

That's what makes last week's other noteworthy trade of a veteran so significant.

In rolling the dice on Jermaine O'Neal, the Raptors are essentially buying time with Bosh, trying to get him to the 2010 offseason in the best frame of mind.

Is O'Neal on the downside? Overpaid? Injury prone? Yes, yes and yes. But he also stands to do something other recent Toronto big men such as Andrea Bargnani, Rasho Nesterovic, Rafael Araujo, Loren Woods and Aaron Williams, could not—take the inside pressure off Bosh.

It had better work. Because the NBA reality is that no one stays in Toronto — not Tracy McGrady, not Vince Carter, not even Alonzo Mourning for a single game.

With the Heat, by contrast, Bosh would help balance the offense with Wade, seemingly could coexist with Michael Beasley, and would round out a skilled core for years to come.

By then (the Raptors hope), the Heat might address such a need through deals with Carlos Boozer or Elton Brand in the 2009 offseason (if not sooner).

If not, common sense says Riley is stashing max money for someone who works with Wade, not in place of him.

In 2003, had the Heat won its season finale in Toronto, it could have been the one drafting at No. 4 instead of the Raptors. At the time, it widely was believed that Riley would then have taken Bosh ahead of Wade, who went at No. 5.

Now it's looking as if the plan for 2010 is to re-deal that '03 draft — and perhaps double down.
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Old 06-29-2008, 11:37 AM   #2 (permalink)
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LOL, this guy is making up junk.
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Old 06-29-2008, 11:40 AM   #3 (permalink)
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this guy is a retard and nothing more than that
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Old 06-29-2008, 01:50 PM   #4 (permalink)
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The reality is that no one knows who this guy is.
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Old 06-29-2008, 01:56 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Ira sounds like a girl though. who knows
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Old 06-29-2008, 01:59 PM   #6 (permalink)
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This sounds like it was written by someone on the ESPN boards - lots of noise but no substance

He's a douche
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Old 06-29-2008, 02:09 PM   #7 (permalink)
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until someone like Bosh sticks with us for the long haul, you're going to keep hearing this opinion. the truth of the matter is that they have evidence of their opinion being true opposed to ours as pissed off fans.
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Old 06-29-2008, 02:51 PM   #8 (permalink)
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The truth is that you can't really blame Bosh for wanting to leave if in the next two seasons this team doesn't make significant strides. The man wants to win, up until this point BC, Babcock and Grunwald have not been able to surround Bosh with significant help, if this trend continues there's a good chance we'll be saying bye bye to Bosh in 2010...
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Old 06-29-2008, 02:53 PM   #9 (permalink)
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until someone like Bosh sticks with us for the long haul, you're going to keep hearing this opinion. the truth of the matter is that they have evidence of their opinion being true opposed to ours as pissed off fans.
As well, until we can be considered a serious threat not only in the East but the entire NBA, we'll always get the short end of the stick. It all boils down to lack of respect and in order to get, you got to earn it. I think we're getting there again slowly after faltering for a number of seasons.
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Old 06-29-2008, 06:48 PM   #10 (permalink)
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oh ghawd not Ira.

Here's a tip people, south florida is where things and people go to die, trust me.
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Old 06-29-2008, 09:57 PM   #11 (permalink)
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What else is he going to write about with a basement team? All the same a place like Miami can be horrible and guys will still want to go there. Toronto needs to win and get more coverage if they want to score big in 2010, and maybe keep Bosh as well.

I can't believe I just typed 2010, and just realized that it's not far away. I still haven't recovered from my Y2K fears.
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Old 06-29-2008, 10:33 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Well this guy is clearly a dumbass.

Time to get in those emails!!
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Old 06-29-2008, 10:54 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Dumb ass Americans were talking this shit last time Bosh was up for contract too.
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Old 06-30-2008, 02:22 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I hate to be Devils Advocate and i'll also mention im Toronto born and raised and i love it here. But the feeling i get from most Americans is, they think of Canada as small time in comparison to the USA, even tho Toronto is bigger then most American cities and is much more diverse and multi cultural, i really think most American players rather play in the United States.


That being said, theres a few cities like Orlando, that dont have strong fan bases and are mostly tourist/college towns, that have the same problem, and i think Orlando might have a problem keeping Dwight in the future. We need a culture of winning here in Toronto and we really need to make our players feel welcome, because its easy for them to just say, screw this, ill sign somewhere else down the line. Most Toronto fans i meet (i have yet to really get to know this forum) will turn on players and their team at the drop of a hat, which i think hurts our situation aswell, we are a negative, half empty kind of sports town most of the time
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Old 06-30-2008, 10:27 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Most Toronto fans i meet (i have yet to really get to know this forum) will turn on players and their team at the drop of a hat, which i think hurts our situation aswell, we are a negative, half empty kind of sports town most of the time
Not entirely true though. The only two that I can recall that most Raptor fans are negative towards are Vince and T-Mac. They still remain the only two that are booed everytime they step foot on the ACC floor. For the most part Raptor fans support ex-Raptors when then come back to town. We just felt Vince and T-Mac did their best part to help themselves out of Toronto instead of the decision being purely business. :mad:
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Old 06-30-2008, 10:28 AM   #16 (permalink)
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He's right....Americans will always look elsewhere...unless they are given the keys to the car "ala VC". Which is why we need more non-americans.
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Old 06-30-2008, 11:25 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Thats a pretty sad generalization. So you think every last American thinks like that? I just think the ignorant Americans do.
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Thats a pretty sad generalization. So you think every last American thinks like that? I just think the ignorant Americans do.
I would say 80% off all teir one players, if in Toronto came up for FA and a city like Chi, LA, NY threw a bunch of money at them, they would be on the first plane outta here.
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Old 06-30-2008, 12:07 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I hate to be Devils Advocate and i'll also mention im Toronto born and raised and i love it here. But the feeling i get from most Americans is, they think of Canada as small time in comparison to the USA, even tho Toronto is bigger then most American cities and is much more diverse and multi cultural, i really think most American players rather play in the United States. (

I would have to agree... imagine any player born and raised in the states... come to Toronto to play... and during their off-season everyone asks "How is Canada.. how are the igloos..." - they have to hear it from people they grew up - defend a city and country because they don't know Canada (which probably gets tiring)! And I am sure, the player falls into the jokes and goes along with it...

I am for international players 100%... as they appreciate a) being in the NBA, and b) Toronto's multicultural makeup
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Old 06-30-2008, 12:23 PM   #20 (permalink)
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While i agree with the generalization that most are making, i think it's pretty sad. not only that, it's stupid - but i do think it's becoming a bit of a thing of the past.

I will add that i don't think Toronto is seen as the "siberia" of the NBA like it was in the late 90's. More and more players are saying that Toronto is one of the more exciting markets in the league in terms of off court stuff. Charlie Villanueva was pretty devastated when he got traded to Milwuakee because he loved the city so much. Players will "party it up" here more than in most NBA cities - and that is a fact. Sure it's probably not as enticing as CHI, NY, LA, but that's about it.

Personally, i think a city becoming a hot destination is just as much about the organization itself as it is the city. Ever since BC came in, the raps are being seen in a new light. Sure some "superstars" still hold onto old points of view. but things are better now than before.
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