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jeffb 05-24-2011 07:34 PM

Sun: If Gay is available, expect the Raps to get involved
 
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Whatever direction Colangelo takes the Raptors, change is as inevitable as the changes that followed the club following each off-season under Colangelo’s watch.

And now that he’s firmly in control, expect every option to be explored and every asset to be used as part of a trade scenario.

If one listened carefully to Colangelo following last week’s draft lottery, it became abundantly clear that no player is untouchable, no stone will be left un-turned in accelerating a rebuilding process that resulted in a 60-loss season.

Given his competitive nature, Colangelo will make a splash, either through free agency or via a trade.

Given his restless nature, Colangelo will not stand still and nor should he.

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The Raptors, unlike many teams, have options, one of the by-products of sacrificing a season by going young and by refusing to pull the trigger on deals that would have compromised the financial flexibility Colangelo accumulated amid the losing.

Had the Raptors won last week’s lottery, one of the most fluid positions in team history would have finally been settled.

Kyrie Irving would have given Toronto its long-awaited and much-needed creator and facilitator at point guard, leader and a face fans would embrace.

Had the Raptors seen their ping-pong ball combination drop at No. 2, the prize would have been the electric Derrick Williams, a guy who wants to be a star in a Toronto market craving a star.

When neither scenario unfolded, it didn’t matter whether the Raptors stayed at No. 3 or dropped all the way down to No. 6.

As fate would have it, Toronto would fall to No. 5.

And now the waiting begins until Colangelo parlays his lottery pick and any available asset into something tangible, a piece that will provide legitimacy.


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Colangelo could have acquired Gay in 2006 when the Raptors won the lottery and elected to use the first overall pick on Andrea Bargnani in a draft class many believed lacked a franchise player.

If anything, history has shown that Colangelo eventually gets his man and will do whatever it takes.

Perhaps the price may end up involving Bargnani, Toronto’s own trade exception obtained in the Chris Bosh sign-and-trade with the Heat, the No. 5 draft pick or any combination of assets for Gay.

What must be made clear is that if Gay is indeed available, then expect the Raptors to be involved.

Imagine a remade Raptors team with Gay as the primary scoring option, DeMar DeRozan entering his third year, an emerging Ed Davis and the prospect of acquiring via free agency a legitimate rebounding centre.




http://www.torontosun.com/2011/05/24...ye-on-rudy-gay

finstock 05-24-2011 07:52 PM

Memphis missed his scoring on the perimeter. Don't think they'll fill that void with anything on our roster, or with the 5th pick. Also, heading into the new CBA, Gay's 20 million dollar price tag - or w/e he's making - could really handcuff this squad.

EggsToTheBBQ 05-24-2011 07:57 PM

Yeah, I don't expect anything to happen until well after the new CBA is in place.

Colangelo himself has said on a number of occasions that the Raptors are in a good position to deal with any changes to the salary structure. I don't expect him to make a move that would jeopardize that flexibility.

I don't expect the TPE to be used, as BC has also said.

Luckily this is the Sun, or I might have taken it seriously.

DocHoliday99 05-24-2011 08:03 PM

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Colangelo could have acquired Gay in 2006 when the Raptors won the lottery and elected to use the first overall pick on Andrea Bargnani in a draft class many believed lacked a franchise player.

If anything, history has shown that Colangelo eventually gets his man and will do whatever it takes.

Perhaps the price may end up involving Bargnani, Toronto’s own trade exception obtained in the Chris Bosh sign-and-trade with the Heat, the No. 5 draft pick or any combination of assets for Gay.

What must be made clear is that if Gay is indeed available, then expect the Raptors to be involved.

Imagine a remade Raptors team with Gay as the primary scoring option, DeMar DeRozan entering his third year, an emerging Ed Davis and the prospect of acquiring via free agency a legitimate rebounding centre.



It will certainly take more than the TPE/#5 as according to reports the Grizz turned down Cleveland's offer of their TPE/#4 for Gay. I would think they would want DD as they stated that they wanted a quality player in return and the Grizz are set at the C and PF spots so why would they want Bargs or Davis? That doesn't make sense to me and Davis would be a back-up but that is a possibilty.

The Grizz showed in the playoffs they need a player to replace Gay as they need another scorer, to me, from the Raps roster and where we are drafting, that would be DD. DD/TPE/#5 is too much for Gay. I don't know another combination that would be palatable to either team.

Who know's with BC though, he can be creative......

Ammo 05-24-2011 08:36 PM

Yes, but the fact that they would likely be saddling another team with a mega-contract means they would need to lower their own expectations of return.

That's why I think an offer of #5, TPE, Barbosa might be reasonable, although it could be still slightly be beaten by another team's offer.

jeffb 05-24-2011 08:41 PM

Bargs/#5/Barbosa/TPE

for

Gay/Henry



Bayless/Calderon
Derozan/Henry
Gay/Johnson
Davis/Amir
FA or trade?/Dorsey/Alabi

Still have Jose you can deal for depth..

DocHoliday99 05-24-2011 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 542305)
Bargs/#5/Barbosa/TPE

for

Gay/Henry



Bayless/Calderon
Derozan/Henry
Gay/Johnson
Davis/Amir
FA or trade?/Dorsey/Alabi

Still have Jose you can deal for depth..

Can't trade Barbosa, he has a player option. Still doesn't replace Gay's scoring.

DocHoliday99 05-24-2011 08:55 PM

I can see OJ getting traded before Gay. If Barbosa agrees, why not Barbo/tpe/future pick for OJ? Grizz get their capspace, a good player for a year and a pick. We could take Kanter if available or gamble on Bismack.

Bayless
OJ
DD
Davis
Kanter or Bismack

Grizz will have
Conley
Barbo
Gay
Randolph
Gasol

Good for both

Blaze 05-24-2011 08:59 PM

PLEASE DO THIS I'm willing to even give up davis and draft thomson, to replace him but probably they'll want both.

EggsToTheBBQ 05-24-2011 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DocHoliday99 (Post 542307)
I can see OJ getting traded before Gay. If Barbosa agrees, why not Barbo/tpe/future pick for OJ? Grizz get their capspace, a good player for a year and a pick. We could take Kanter if available or gamble on Bismack.

Bayless
OJ
DD
Davis
Kanter or Bismack

Grizz will have
Conley
Barbo
Gay
Randolph
Gasol

Good for both

DeMar is far more effective as a SG. He doesn't match up well with a lot of bigger SFs. (Odom, LeBron, Gerald Wallace, Carmelo, Turk, etc.) OJ would be a bench player with the Raptors. I don't think it's a good fit.

Gay has a big contract and the new CBA is coming up. I'm not in favor of bringing him in until the salary structure is in place and the team can plan around a big contract player.

The Raptors are still a rebuilding team. In order, the positions of need are: C, SF, PG, PF, SG (in my opinion)

DeMar is a lock at SG. Barbosa is on his way out, but is doing well in the meantime. Sonny can play, and I still like Julian Wright as a 2/3 off the bench, though I doubt he'll be back. Sonny might be back, I think he will, for cheap, unless something better comes up.

Davis is close to being a lock at PF. Amir's a good back up. Bargs is Bargs (not getting into that argument right now).

Bayless shows potential at PG, and Calderon is holding down the fort quite well in the meantime. Barbosa can be used in emergency situations. It's not a perfect situation, but it's far from being as bad as the next two positions...

At SF we have Kleiza, if he successfully comes back from injury, James Johnson, who's a good role player and has some room to improve. Also, JW and Sonny (previously discussed) There's definitely weakness here, though I would like to see what a fully healthy Kleiza can bring to the table.

At C we have one of the worst Cs on the defensive end in the history of the NBA (you know who I mean). Dorsey is a useful big body, nothing more. Alabi is a project, though to me he looks like a stiff. Ajinca... actually, I haven't completely written him off, he looks sometimes like he can play, he just needs to concentrate on help D and rebounding. If he could get to the rim for some offensive boards instead of hanging out at the three point line it would be nice. Either way, this is the position where the biggest weakness is.

For me, until the center position situation is resolved there is no point in retooling the roster. That is the biggest weakness, and it needs to be solved first. It's been a weakness since Antonio Davis left (a long long time ago) and it needs to be addressed as soon as possible.

There is no moving forward without a good center. All plans need to revolve around resolving this situation. It's a disgrace. 3 D-Leaguers and a guy who doesn't play any defense.

DocHoliday99 05-24-2011 09:49 PM

DeMar is far more effective as a SG? Stat wise he's better at the SF - not by much but he is(82games). OJ wouldn't be a bench player - he just needed to do some maturing. He's definitely a starter in this league.

I completely agree with the center issue but we're not getting one in free agency when so many teams need one unless we trade, go to Europe or draft. Big men seem to be a premium in this league right now.

Wiseguy 05-25-2011 02:42 AM

9 Player Trade Rumour- Gay to the Raps
9 Player Trade Rumor Raptors Pacers and Grizzlies |Sportsbook Reviews and Bonuses – Online Sports Betting Picks and Tips

Not sure where this is coming from or how credible it is, but this would be awesome.

Chiggmo 05-25-2011 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Wiseguy (Post 542476)
9 Player Trade Rumour- Gay to the Raps
9 Player Trade Rumor Raptors Pacers and Grizzlies |Sportsbook Reviews and Bonuses – Online Sports Betting Picks and Tips

Not sure where this is coming from or how credible it is, but this would be awesome.

Ya I dunno how legit that is but ya never know! Would be awesome though for sure considering we'd keep our pick.

LJkAze 05-25-2011 03:01 AM

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9 Player Trade Rumour- Gay to the Raps
9 Player Trade Rumor Raptors Pacers and Grizzlies |Sportsbook Reviews and Bonuses – Online Sports Betting Picks and Tips

Not sure where this is coming from or how credible it is, but this would be awesome.
There is no way this is happening because Memphis is not that stupid or are they? hmmmm :suspicious: Also why in the hell would Indiana trade a good prospect in Paul George?

DonMughal 05-25-2011 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Wiseguy (Post 542476)
9 Player Trade Rumour- Gay to the Raps
9 Player Trade Rumor Raptors Pacers and Grizzlies |Sportsbook Reviews and Bonuses – Online Sports Betting Picks and Tips

Not sure where this is coming from or how credible it is, but this would be awesome.

LOL Rudy Gay, OJ Mayo and Xavier Henry for Bargs, Barbs and George, yeah Memphis' GM must be stupider than I thought.


Raptors would come out the obvious winners. Letting go of Jose's and Barg's contracts without losing anything important. We basically traded nothing we need.

Never would happen.

finstock 05-25-2011 03:39 AM

Seems like a relatively fair deal for all.

Pacers get two good young players for one, George, who's stuck behind Granger.

Raps get Rudy, and take out the trash while doing so.

Memphis gets a perimeter scoring punch, and a replacement for Rudy.

Me thinks somebody just got a little overzealous on the trade machine though.

Toby 05-25-2011 05:05 AM

Rudy Gay is a balla. I can't imagine Memphis would be dumb enough to let that guy slip outta their hands.

Bankiz 05-25-2011 06:01 AM

seems good for us, for sure. we also can buyout posey, and be in very good situation.
but if that happen we should draft a pg for sure

i think they will keep ajinca for now, because he is still a young big man, and can improve.
but in that trade we lose all our asset without a center who can defend. and i think that is a problem.

lack of pg, lack of Center, maybe the sf spot will be good, but we need a big men, and they are not so many in the league who will come here instead of all those teams whom need big too.

bayless/???
DD/Jones
Gay/JJ/kleiza
Amir/davis
???/ajinca/alabi

so even if we get a star, i don't see the point for us to do this.

and memphis lose more than us for not getting what they need. a solid PG backup or upgrade over conley.
because they have a pretty solid team this season, why not continue.

indiana get a solid backup pg for collison, and two nice young player at the SG spot. it's for sure what they really need, too nice too be true for them.

so i think this trade is a good thing for indiana but not really for us or memphis.

jeffb 05-25-2011 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Wiseguy (Post 542476)
9 Player Trade Rumour- Gay to the Raps
9 Player Trade Rumor Raptors Pacers and Grizzlies |Sportsbook Reviews and Bonuses – Online Sports Betting Picks and Tips

Not sure where this is coming from or how credible it is, but this would be awesome.

So in that scenario we'd keep our pick? OK, where do we sign?

Knight/Bayless
Derozan/Jones
Gay/Johnson
Davis/Amir
Chandler?/Dorsey

Snooch 05-25-2011 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 542500)
So in that scenario we'd keep our pick? OK, where do we sign?

Knight/Bayless
Derozan/Jones
Gay/Johnson
Davis/Amir
Chandler?/Dorsey

chandler is NEVER going to come here now.


edit: and I think I would be just as happy to draft Biyombo(I think Knight is gone before #5) and nab a later pick to grab freddette.

bayless/jimmer/vetfa
demar/jones
gay/jj/kleiza
amir/ed/evans?
sammy D/biyombo/alabi


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