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Old 05-25-2011, 09:59 AM   #21 (permalink)
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chandler is NEVER going to come here now.


edit: and I think I would be just as happy to draft Biyombo(I think Knight is gone before #5) and nab a later pick to grab freddette.

bayless/jimmer/vetfa
demar/jones
gay/jj/kleiza
amir/ed/evans?
sammy D/biyombo/alabi
Ya had me until jimmer.

BTW, this "rumour" is bullshit.
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Old 05-25-2011, 11:36 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I wouldn't bet this rumour has any validity. Especially coming from a betting site. At least that was my first impulse, until you put all the line-ups together for the teams

A Grizz team that has:

Conely, Vasquez
Allen, Barb
George, Young
Randolph, Bargs
Gasol, Arthur

Not a bad line-up with Young, Barbo and Bargs (esp Bargs as Randolph doesn't really have a back-up yet) coming off the bench to give the team decent bench scoring. Would be interesting to see Bargs paired with either Gasol with his rebounding and defense. George is cheap and a good prospect that will add and not take away from that starting 5 and Barbo is expiring but will give them a good year.

Raps:
JC, Bayless
DD,Jones
Gay, JJ, Kleiza, Wright
Davis, Amir
???, Dorsey, Alabi

In this instance I would take Kanter if available or gamble on Bismack
Well, we wouldn't have Jose anymore in this deal, since he'd be a Pacer. Therefor imo i'd go for Kemba or Knight still and get a big through FA or another trade. Like i said:

Knight/Bayless
Derozan/Jones
Gay/Johnson/Posey/Kleiza
Davis/Amir/Evans?
Chandler/Dorsey/Alabi

I still say Chandler can be had if we over pay....which we often do anyway. If not, go after Dalembert.

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Old 05-25-2011, 11:44 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Ya had me until jimmer.

BTW, this "rumour" is bullshit.
I would absolutely take a flyer on Jimmer with a late pick.

Kid will have a place in the nba without a doubt. every team needs a gunner.
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Old 05-25-2011, 12:13 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Sorry, here's the rest of my post, thought I deleted it before anyone saw it....

I wouldn't bet this rumour has any validity. Especially coming from a betting site. At least that was my first impulse. I'm a visual person so I put down the potential line-ups,

A Grizz team that has:
Conely, Vasquez
Allen, Barbo
?? George??,Young
Randolph, Bargs
Gasol, Arthur

With Young, Barbo and Bargs (esp Bargs as Randolph doesn't really have a back-up yet) coming off the bench to give the team decent bench scoring. Would be interesting to see Bargs paired with either Gasol with his rebounding and defense. George is cheap and a good prospect that will add and not take away from that starting 5 IF he can play the SF spot and Barbo is expiring but will give them a good year. I would think George is a SG and Allen has certainly earned that starting role. The Grizz would get 2 SG and a PF and no real replacement for Gay - which is their motive wouldn't it?

Raps:
???, Bayless
DD, Jones, Posey
Gay, JJ, Kleiza, Wright
Davis, Amir
???, Dorsey, Alabi

We've certainly created some big holes to fill with that trade. Whether the team drafts a pg or a C we'll have to fill the other through a trade or Europe. I'm actually not liking it overall unless there was another trade in place.

Indiana:
Coillison, JC, Price
OJ, Henry, Rush
Granger, Dunleavy
Hansbrough, McRoberts
Hibbert, Foster

The only real change to the team would be taking out George and putting in OJ and adding some depth. The team might be slightly better overall.


This trade doesnt really work for the Grizz as they weaken their SF spot even more (I think George plays much better at the spot he's in now, SG). Hmmmm unless you put Allen in the SF spot and George back to the SG....

I like Rudy, but the glaring holes that are now created....there would have to something more coming however with this trade we just moved 3 big assets in Bargs, Barbo and JC. Doesn't leave a lot after to trade with.

Indiana, I think they have improved with OJ and added some depth.

Not a bad roster

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Old 05-25-2011, 12:21 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Indiana, Memphis, and Toronto actually make good trading partners. Indian is way under the cap, so they can afford to absorb some salary while Memphis is looking to shave its payroll.

Indiana could use another scorer, especially at PF. Bargnani would fit the bill, and he would team with Hibbert to form a very good frontcourt. Collison, Granger, Bargnani, and Hibbert would be a very good core to build around. Toronto could also add a signed Sonny Weems to the deal.

George is a good prospect, but you have to give to get quality. George would be an inexpensive replacement for Gay in Memphis. He would also be a great fit in Memphis with his athleticism and slashing ability. Memphis, though, would need to receive another contract in return. Without a quality backup at the PG, Calderon could be a good fit.

Toronto obviously upgrades at the SF spot with Gay. He doesn't have a great contract, but the Raptors need another scorer and a guy who can create his own show.

So the basis of the deal would be:

Indiana gets Bargnani and Weems.
Indiana trades George and a protected first-round pick

Memphis receives George and Calderon.
Memphis trades Gay.

Toronto gets Gay and protected first-round pick (from Indiana).
Toronto trades Bargnani, Calderon, and Weems.

Obviously fillers may need to be included.
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If this magical trade actually had legs I would try to flip Gay and Kleiza to Cleveland for TPE Session, and the #4, effectively getting the Raps a shitload of capspace to go after a center. And the #4 and #5 pick in the draft to try to entice a team a little farther up so we can get Williams(minny?).

Bayless/Sessions
Demar/Jones
Williams/JJ
Davis/Amir
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Old 05-25-2011, 12:54 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Gay really blossomed last season, but he's way too expensive. With him, we'd be in the same position we were when we has bosh, .500 for eternity ..
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Old 05-25-2011, 01:16 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Indiana, Memphis, and Toronto actually make good trading partners. Indian is way under the cap, so they can afford to absorb some salary while Memphis is looking to shave its payroll.

Indiana could use another scorer, especially at PF. Bargnani would fit the bill, and he would team with Hibbert to form a very good frontcourt. Collison, Granger, Bargnani, and Hibbert would be a very good core to build around. Toronto could also add a signed Sonny Weems to the deal.

George is a good prospect, but you have to give to get quality. George would be an inexpensive replacement for Gay in Memphis. He would also be a great fit in Memphis with his athleticism and slashing ability. Memphis, though, would need to receive another contract in return. Without a quality backup at the PG, Calderon could be a good fit.

Toronto obviously upgrades at the SF spot with Gay. He doesn't have a great contract, but the Raptors need another scorer and a guy who can create his own show.

So the basis of the deal would be:

Indiana gets Bargnani and Weems.
Indiana trades George and a protected first-round pick

Memphis receives George and Calderon.
Memphis trades Gay.

Toronto gets Gay and protected first-round pick (from Indiana).
Toronto trades Bargnani, Calderon, and Weems.

Obviously fillers may need to be included.
Memphis has already turned down the Cavs TPE/#4 for Gay, why would they take George and JC? Neither are the star player the Grizz want in return for Gay and George plays much better as a SG as he does on the pacers. Allen would have to stay at the SF and thats a weaker team if they just kept Gay. Besides the grizz need cap space now to keep Gasol and stay close to the cap. In my mind they would want capspace or expiring, a star in the making and pick(s) for Gay (based on the team turning the Cavs down for 2/3's of their needs).

As for Indiana, I don't believe Hibbert is good enough or the player to compensate for Bargs' zero defense. I also believe that Hansbrough and McRoberts collectively offer more. As for Weems, he's a FA and can't be included. Bird wouldn't do it IMO as he wants players that can play defense.

The only winners would be TO with big holes still left to be filled.

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Old 05-25-2011, 01:47 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Memphis has already turned down the Cavs TPE/#4 for Gay, why would they take George and JC? Neither are the star player the Grizz want in return for Gay and George plays much better as a SG as he does on the pacers. Allen would have to stay at the SF and thats a weaker team if they just kept Gay. Besides the grizz need cap space now to keep Gasol and stay close to the cap. In my mind they would want capspace or expiring, a star in the making and pick(s) for Gay (based on the team turning the Cavs down for 2/3's of their needs).

As for Indiana, I don't believe Hibbert is good enough or the player to compensate for Bargs' zero defense. I also believe that Hansbrough and McRoberts collectively offer more. As for Weems, he's a FA and can't be included. Bird wouldn't do it IMO as he wants players that can play defense.

The only winners would be TO with big holes still left to be filled.
George has more upside than any swingman available in this year's draft except for maybe Williams. The #4 pick has little value to Memphis since the quality isn't there. I, too, would reject the #4 pick and TPE for Gay.

George would give the Grizzlies a young, emerging talent. I think they would strongly be interested in him. Plus, George can play the SF position. He has the size and build to play the position. He's playing SG in Indiana because of some guy named Granger manning the position.

Calderon gives the Grizzlies another PG, and one that can stretch defences better than Conley. Calderon is also a better distributor.

Adding George and Calderon still saves the Grizzlies about $5M in cash for next season. That should be enough to help the Grizzlies re-sign Gasol, who likely will get about $10M to $11M annually on a new contract. Gasol made just under $3.5M last year.

And finally on Memphis, the Grizzlies own Gasol's "Bird" rights, so they could re-sign him and go over the cap. With the contracts of Battier and Jaric coming off the books plus the $5M saved in dealing Gay, the Grizzlies should have more than enough cap and payroll space to re-sign Gasol. In addition, the Grizzlies will still have a very strong team, definitely a deeper team, and one that has more payroll flexibility. For instance, Calderon has only two years left on his deal. His deal expires at the same time as George's rookie deal ends.

On Indiana, scoring is a big issue for them. Hibbert is still too raw offensively to carry the frontcourt scoring load. Indiana really needs a 2nd option on offence, and I think Bargnani would be a great fit. Bargnani as the second option playing his natural PF position could see him post more efficient offensive numbers and better rebounding numbers.

I disagree with you on Hansborough and McRoberts. Both guys are better suited coming off the bench as energy players, a la Nick Collison.

Weems would be included as a S&T, as I stated in my original post (I wrote a "signed Weems" would be added to the deal). Weems would give the Pacers a young, athletic swingman who could come off the bench and provide some scoring.

I think the trade proposal that I made would work for all the teams involved. Yes, Toronto would still have some holes, but at the same time they add a talented swingman in Gay, who is also signed long-term. With the fifth pick, they can still target the best PG or big man available.
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Gay really blossomed last season, but he's way too expensive. With him, we'd be in the same position we were when we has bosh, .500 for eternity ..
Comments like this kill me. We'd be adding a young All-star player at the wing position while keeping our draft pick and dumping our two worst defenders. News flash.....we're not getting a superstar here unless we draft one. Always seems like when a rumour like this comes up, and a very good player is rumoured to be coming here comments like "we won't be any better" and "we'll be mediocre forever" are always uttered by someone. Do you expect us to get Wade, Lebron, Paul, Durant, Nowitzki???
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Did Rudy get a max deal last year? What's he get and how many years lefT?
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Old 05-25-2011, 02:19 PM   #33 (permalink)
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We need to just sign Marc Gasol....done
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it must be done because of this.
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Comments like this kill me. We'd be adding a young All-star player at the wing position while keeping our draft pick and dumping our two worst defenders. News flash.....we're not getting a superstar here unless we draft one. Always seems like when a rumour like this comes up, and a very good player is rumoured to be coming here comments like "we won't be any better" and "we'll be mediocre forever" are always uttered by someone. Do you expect us to get Wade, Lebron, Paul, Durant, Nowitzki???
LOL I couldn't agree more, I also think people are seriously underestimating Rudy. But I don't think that trade rumour was credible because there hasn't been a single other site to mention it and news like that would be pretty hot right now.
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LOL I couldn't agree more, I also think people are seriously underestimating Rudy. But I don't think that trade rumour was credible because there hasn't been a single other site to mention it and news like that would be pretty hot right now.
Underestimate? Noooooooooo, he's only worth George and JC.
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Not sure where this is coming from or how credible it is, but this would be awesome.
LOL.... if that trade went down BC would go from goat to hero in my eyes.

Ditching Bargs and Jose AND getting Gay AND keeping our pick?

That would be the most insane GM'ing move that I've ever seen.

Too good to be true though.
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Old 05-25-2011, 08:23 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Fuckin' Rudy Gay man.
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Old 05-25-2011, 08:28 PM   #39 (permalink)
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LOL.... if that trade went down BC would go from goat to hero in my eyes.

Ditching Bargs and Jose AND getting Gay AND keeping our pick?

That would be the most insane GM'ing move that I've ever seen.

Too good to be true though.
But Colangelo may no longer be welcome in Woodbridge. If you don't know what that means, I can't help you.

Anyway, Gay can put up Bargnani's offensive numbers and from the SF, he outrebounds him. Think I'm in the pull the trigger camp. Just hope Michael Jordan doesn't put in a call at the last minute to ruin the deal.
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Underestimate? Noooooooooo, he's only worth George and JC.
Loll ya right he actually isn't. The only reason we could possibly get him isn't because of his lack of skill, it's because Memphis is in cap trouble if they want to keep all the players that helped them on there run this year. Rudy is top 5 sf in the league, Lebron, Durant and Carmelo off the top of my head are the only ones who are better or have more upside.
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