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Old 05-17-2013, 04:51 AM   #201 (permalink)
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who doesnt like to hate, i do it and end up looking foolish especially when i believe a player is over rated and not that good, james harden i'm looking at you

( loved him in arizona state and was desperate for the Raptors to draft but after i seen him in the nba i didn't think to much of him, i htought htey made a mistake and should have drafted demar derozan instead,which in the long run probably would have worked out better for them anyways because demar wouldn't have sucked like martin did,demar would show up)

its just fun saying that guy sucks this guy is better period. like jordan is better than kobe, and kobe is better than wade, also i like lebron over magic, and bird over durant

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Old 05-17-2013, 08:20 AM   #202 (permalink)
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Sam Amico*@SamAmicoFSO Word of Toronto suggests this very well could be Bryan Colangelo's final week as Raptors GM. And no, Phil Jackson won't be replacing him.
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Old 05-17-2013, 09:07 AM   #203 (permalink)
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And I don't think the term " colangelo haters" is fair saying someone has done a bad job when they've done a bad job doesn't make you a hater.
And I don't think the term "Colangelo Apologist" is fair, saying someone has done a good job when they've done a good job doesn't make you an apologist.
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Old 05-17-2013, 11:34 AM   #204 (permalink)
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And I don't think the term "Colangelo Apologist" is fair, saying someone has done a good job when they've done a good job doesn't make you an apologist.
When you need to point to circumstances supposedly beyond his control in order to wash over the lack of results that could otherwise objectively verify that he's done a good job, then that kind of sort of makes you an apologist.
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Old 05-17-2013, 11:49 AM   #205 (permalink)
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I vote Mike Zarren. And not to get involved in the discussion above.
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Old 05-17-2013, 12:06 PM   #206 (permalink)
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When you need to point to circumstances supposedly beyond his control in order to wash over the lack of results that could otherwise objectively verify that he's done a good job, then that kind of sort of makes you an apologist.
Well said.
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Old 05-17-2013, 12:57 PM   #207 (permalink)
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Old 05-17-2013, 01:22 PM   #208 (permalink)
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I myself am an apologist insomuch that I don't feel like the team will be left hopelessly adrift if Bryan is here one more year. I wish that his last contract would not have happened. I wish that much of this team's history would not have happened. But hat changes nothing, and in fact I feel pretty confidant that the most important changes have come with new ownership, and now the addition of Leiweke over the vestiges of the past Anselmi represented. There is now a sense of a very different imperative in play beyond the usual undermining and ass-covering that is inevitable in a big organisation where there is not a clear imperative from one person in the organisation to the next. It is possible that such an imperative could allow for a very different Colangelo to emerge, or if not, finally be swept aside. Either way, I have to feel there's a chance that the butterfly has emerged fom the chrysalis and there is no turning back to the muck of the past.
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Old 05-17-2013, 01:24 PM   #209 (permalink)
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What do you mean by not communicating with Bryan? I mean they have board meetings all the time and I'll bet $100 that BC knows whats up which is why you saw first DC back BC then BC pull 'I might resign regardless' card.
didn't colangelo say that he may resign if a decision isn't made soon enough? That doesn't sound like a guy who knows what's coming to him. Of course they are in communication, but the issue is are they communicating about the important things or just chatting about day to day issues. BC's statement clearly indicates the former is not a topic of conversation.


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I think we're all saying the same thing.

no, not really. I think this delay is hurting the team, and not just from an image point of view. Since a new GM would almost certainly guarantee breaking up the team (what would be the point otherwise), that means players and coaches are probably not feeling very secure right now. Free agents who are thinking about their future are also probably not putting a team in limbo at the top of their mind.

And frankly, the idea that a potential GM candidate would take so long to make up their mind about coming here also bugs me - reminds me of the whole nash situation. I would much rather prefer to see a GM that WANTS to come here and is EAGER for the challenge, not somebody who is looking at us as a last resort (unless that GM is an elite figure which is not the case with PJ).
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Old 05-17-2013, 01:26 PM   #210 (permalink)
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There was no deadline except the one the media created - was just a board meeting that I'm sure had a hundred other things to worry about. MLSE is waiting for something, that much is apparent. As long as they get it right this process will take as long as it takes - maybe 24 hours maybe 2 months - but all this conjecture is the media. Maybe some 'insiders' expect things to happen, maybe a 'source' heard it might happen but really, this board will take as long as it needs to regardless of what BC wants - his implied threat to resign regardless of out come is just a leverage move imo - MLSE's response...wait.
regardless, perception is reality when it comes to media. If the media perceives this a bad situation and that's how they present it, it will not reflect well on our image which is not that stellar to begin with.
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And Leiweke is not conducting the search for a possible replacement on his own; multiple NBA sources say MLSE has hired a head-hunting firm to whittle down a list of possible replacements.
Two names being tossed around NBA circles at the league’s annual draft combine are Kevin Pritchard, currently the general manager of the Indiana Pacers and Troy Weaver, the vice-president and assistant general manager of the Oklahoma City Thunder.
Raptors GM Bryan Colangelo: MLSE hires firm to look for possible replacement, sources say | Toronto Star
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Old 05-17-2013, 03:48 PM   #212 (permalink)
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When you need to point to circumstances supposedly beyond his control in order to wash over the lack of results that could otherwise objectively verify that he's done a good job, then that kind of sort of makes you an apologist.
That goes both ways LX, just from the other side it makes you seem kindof a Colangelo Hater.





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regardless, perception is reality when it comes to media. If the media perceives this a bad situation and that's how they present it, it will not reflect well on our image which is not that stellar to begin with.
I guess - media is all about controversy, if none there lets create it.
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Old 05-17-2013, 04:04 PM   #214 (permalink)
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I guess - media is all about controversy, if none there lets create it.
For the most part,basically!
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And frankly, the idea that a potential GM candidate would take so long to make up their mind about coming here also bugs me - reminds me of the whole nash situation. I would much rather prefer to see a GM that WANTS to come here and is EAGER for the challenge, not somebody who is looking at us as a last resort (unless that GM is an elite figure which is not the case with PJ).
I wouldn't read that much into it. If there is any truth to the rumors of potentials like Weaver, then MLSE would have had to wait anyways due to the playoffs.
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didn't colangelo say that he may resign if a decision isn't made soon enough? That doesn't sound like a guy who knows what's coming to him. Of course they are in communication, but the issue is are they communicating about the important things or just chatting about day to day issues. BC's statement clearly indicates the former is not a topic of conversation.
My only point is I'm sure BC knows what is happening and is trying to manipulate the situation in his favor. Unfortunately for BC, seems TL (not MLSE since they deferred the decision to him) is having none of it. I'm sure what BC has said to the media is only about 10-15% of what is going on.
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My only point is I'm sure BC knows what is happening and is trying to manipulate the situation in his favor. Unfortunately for BC, seems TL (not MLSE since they deferred the decision to him) is having none of it. I'm sure what BC has said to the media is only about 10-15% of what is going on.
I don't see how can he possibly know, I mean it's either he stays or he goes, if he knows he'll stay, he has no reasons to stir things. If he knows he goes, he's better off stepping out of his own accord.

The other thing is, after all this circus, we are pretty much forced to fire BC. Imagine if we pick his extension and we end up making the playoffs, they wouldn't be able to fire him then (presumably with the fans backing BC once again). So if they don't want him one year from now, might as well pull the plug now. That's the mistake BC made when he came here and kept Mitchell. Had we fired Sam right away, things may have been much different with a real coach (although we may have been unable to attract a good coach in those days - the team was pretty sucky).
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