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Old 03-21-2010, 09:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi guys, I've been lurking around the forum for a week or two now and decided to join in the fight against this seemingly inexorable tide of self-hating Raptors fans. But onto the point.

My original post was going to be about how I think the starting five should change, but I realized that that would be unreasonable for one of the few reasons I consider valid when talking basketball; this late into the season and with every game as crucial as it is, a big shake-up in the starting five would just stymie whatever chemistry they've had going this whole year, however much or little that may be.

Instead, I've decided to be more realistic by opening this thread up with what I think some of our subs should be in terms of line changes and the like. My suggestion only assume two things (both of which I think are quite reasonable): the starting five for the rest of the season is Turk/Bargs/Bosh/Cald/DD and that Jack and Cald will have approximately equal minutes overall.

And with that, here's what I have in mind:

If you to play small, go with Wright/Bargs/Bosh/Cald/Jack: this line has good passing and shooting and would let us go around the perimeter until we get a good look or let Bosh drive and kick it out. You can replace Cald or Jack with DD so we have more options for the drive and kick.

If you want to play tough D, go with Amir/Bargs/Bosh/Banks/Jack: this line gives us some grit and could help maintain a lead and put some pressure on their offence. The reason why I wouldn't play Evans is because although he could replace Banks with him, I haven't liked the way he's been playing, he needs to handle the ball harder.

If you want to hustle, I'd say Amir/Bosh/DD/Cald/Weems: Amir and Cald seem to play well together and to give Jose credit, he does run the court. As well, this is a a very young line that can shoot and slice and should play well against quick and athletic teams. You can also replace Weems with DD and play Wright for better range shooting.

If you want to give Bosh a rest, try Turk/Rasho/Bargs/Cald/Jack: this line is old, yes, but also has the most experience. Without Bosh on the court, I think Rasho can still provide the necessary leadership to lead the offence and encourage everyone to play better defensive fundamentals as well. Additionally, with Bosh out Bargs becomes the focus of the offence and with Turk as the number two option, he might be motivated enough to up his play and become more reliable - instead of just being another option.

These are just a few strategies I thought up as valid answers for different situations. My point is that I think there should always be at least two starters on the court (including Jack) and I think Bosh honestly has to be playing 40+ minutes a game; he's still young, he's in shape, he's damn good and after this season is over, we might not be able to play him at all. He's our franchise player and we have to ride him. It's our best shot.
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Old 03-21-2010, 10:01 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Too long of a read, but when I skimmed through and saw Turk/Rasho/Bargs/Cald/Jack i soiled myself
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Old 03-22-2010, 02:30 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Could you explain why that's such a bad thing and/or give suggestions as to what would be better?
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Old 03-22-2010, 02:55 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Could you explain why that's such a bad thing and/or give suggestions as to what would be better?
Because Traino has played Jose+Jack combo almost this entire season and it doesn't work at all.
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Old 03-22-2010, 05:43 AM   #5 (permalink)
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deal jose or jack. play turk for a few minutes early, then bring him back with banks in the second unit where they split ball handling duties. i honestly think turk would thrive, and further, that he'd like it.
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Old 03-22-2010, 07:03 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Welcome kid and nice first post.

To say that Jack and Jose together doesn't work at all is simply wrong. The only problem with Triano is how he goes with certain rotations no matter what the situation. It would be nice if he looked at things more situationally as suggested by kid here, instead of being so damn robotic.
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Old 03-22-2010, 01:07 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Welcome.

I like some of your line up options but they feel like hockey rotation. Raptors would probably have the most success playing a smaller rotation.

I think DD, Jack, Jose, Bargnani, Amir, Bosh, Turk, and Weems getting 95% of pt burn would help this team a lot more as we would have defined roles.

All great teams have small rotations with defined roles. I think the only guy who understands his role and stick to it night and out is Amir.

As a team we are pretty inconsistent in our game plans, we usually adapt our game plan to the other teams style of play instead of playing our game forcing the opposing team to play our style.

This is mainly due to coaching experience. Best example I could give you is the 2007 WC first round playoffs between Golden State vs. Dallas. The main and only reason was coaching experience Don Nelson force an inexperience Avery Johnson to play Golden State basketball even if Dallas was the #1 team in the league with a COY on the bench.

Just want to clarify Jay is a good coach just lacks experience to gel the experienced/talented Toronto Raptors together during a time of turmoil.
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Old 03-22-2010, 04:16 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Welcome from my part too.

Nice to see more posters that are willing to put some effort into their posts, instead of just putting up one liners along the lines of "Trade player X and everything will be fixed".

Still I have to say I dont agree with all of the lineups.

The small lineup is ok to me, even if Im not a huge fan of JJ-Jose combo. But if the matchups allow it, then maybe.

The defensive lineup I dont agree with at all. You have basically put in three big guys and two PG's. Basically no one on the floor would be able to defend any athletic wing player with any size. And almost every team in the league has those (except maybe Raps of course ).

The hustle or energy lineup looks good when you want to out run your opponent.

The last one I dont like simply because it puts three guys that need to handle the ball on the court at the same time.

Still I like the idea of actually changing lineups depending on the situation rather than randomly like Triano seems to do it. But I would also put some value on who has been succesfull that night.

As you said changing the starting lineup probably wont happen, but before Calderon was inserted back, I thought that the only way inserting Calderon made any sense, was that they would also switch the wings. Basically I would like to see the lineup of Jose-Weems-Wright-Bargs-Bosh. This would be better defensively than our current starting five. There would also be enough fire power with Chris and AB on the floor. Weems has been hitting his mid-range jumpers pretty well so he would get more of those if we had good spacing and Bosh would pass it out from double team. And also the fact that there Jose would be the sole ball handler which is best for his individual game and Turk could have the ball more playing with second unit (helping his lust for ball). With Jose and Weems on the floor, we could run some, but if opportunities dont show up, we would have pretty balanced team for controlled five on five. Jose and Bosh/AB could run pick-n-rolls or one of the bigs can post up and in case of double team pass out.
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Old 03-23-2010, 07:34 PM   #9 (permalink)
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@LX: Thanks for the endorsement.

@Dino: I agree we need a tighter rotation with more clearly defined roles, although I think Wright and Weems should definitely be a part of that rotation. I know my suggestions may seem like hockey lines, but I feel that you can only really develop your role within the team by having clear prototype lines which each player can then extrapolate to whenever their on the court regardless of the current line or alter their game to fit with a particular line's objective.

@Rudy-T: I agree, even after looking at this forum for a little more than week, it seemed as though all people want to do is complain and give no support for the team they're supposed to be fans of. Either that or just blame our problems on one or two particular players and rant about how bad they are and how desperately we need to get rid of their contracts.

Do you think Wright would be better on the defense line as a sg than Jack even though he's the better ball-handler? For that matter, maybe I'm not giving Wright enough credit and perhaps he would also play well in the last line up instead of Jack or Cald? What's your take on it?

What I was going to suggest for the starting line up (which was also when Jack was starting) was Amir/Bargs/Bosh/Cald/DD because Cald plays well with Amir, Amir can start the game with some hustle and get gritty on D and pull down some offensive boards. With DD on the floor it would also give us some athleticism to start which might give Bargs a little more energy and if he has a good game we'll be well on our way to winning. Lastly with Turk and Jack as the core of the 2nd unit Turk could be more motivated to lead and make plays while some starters are benched and Jack can bring that off the bench spark to ignite Turk's desire for ball.
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