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jeffb 04-14-2012 10:11 AM

Is it a stretch to think this could have been a 30+ win team
 
Bargnani will end the season missing 35 games out of a 66 game schedule. Is it a stretch to think that with him in the lineup for most of those games that we could have won 10 more games? I don't think that's much of a stretch at all. What would tank nation think of a 32 win season and a 1st round exit? Lol

Ataf 04-14-2012 10:47 AM

Yea, prolly... I think we could of have been a .500 team, if there were no injuries. Bargs was playing like an all star before he got injured.

bjjs 04-14-2012 10:58 AM

I like the basketball we play without Bargnani. He had that magical stretch but it was all him.

If he could play with that passion while not being the focal point on offense every possession then I think for sure we could of been a .500 team.

His first injury the team didn't know how to respond because previously Bargs was carrying them. Then he comes back and the team is moving the ball around and Bargnani seems only slightly engaged.

I would love seeing this starting lineup.

Jose
Demar
MKG
Amir
Jonas

Key Bench Players - Davis, Anderson, Bayless
Rouding out - Kleiza, Gray


They wouldn't be as good next year without Bargnani, but they would be better in the long-run without him imo.

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! 04-14-2012 11:10 AM

I don't like that backcourt but MKG would be great.

Psi 04-14-2012 11:23 AM

I think next year we win 38 or so and win the atlantic (yes, sad I'm aware lol).
Then win the first round, then out the 2nd.
Should be pretty hopeful going forward.

KoolAid 04-14-2012 02:24 PM

Maybe in a regular 82 game season we would win 30 :dead:

jeffb 04-14-2012 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KoolAid (Post 636264)
Maybe in a regular 82 game season we would win 30 :dead:

So we have 21 wins after 60 games with Bargnani missing half of them and you don't think we could win more then 30 games in a full schedule with a healthy Bargnani?

DonMughal 04-14-2012 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Psi (Post 636225)
I think next year we win 38 or so and win the atlantic (yes, sad I'm aware lol).
Then win the first round, then out the 2nd.
Should be pretty hopeful going forward.

How do we win the Atlantic with 38 wins? We can't even get into the playoffs probably.

halphbreedballer 04-14-2012 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! (Post 636223)
I don't like that backcourt but MKG would be great.

I'm not a fan of MKG he plays like a smaller version of Gerald Wallace IMO

Psi 04-14-2012 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DonMughal (Post 636302)
How do we win the Atlantic with 38 wins? We can't even get into the playoffs probably.

Boston starts having a lot of - DNP - Old
Philly comes back to their normal awfulness.
NJ losses DWill 3-79 season.
NYK starts well but forced to trade Amar'e after fued.

Easy isn't it.

Bargn88 04-14-2012 09:19 PM

Def would have been possible. 13-18 with him? And that included that stretch of games where he couldn't hit a shot or find his legs coming back from a long layoff.

pzabby 04-14-2012 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Psi (Post 636320)
Boston starts having a lot of - DNP - Old
Philly comes back to their normal awfulness.
NJ losses DWill 3-79 season.
NYK starts well but forced to trade Amar'e after fued.

Easy isn't it.

see, if all the other division members suck, it'd mean our record would be better since we play a lot against each of em, what is it in a season, 5 per division rival?

fresh n' spicy 04-14-2012 11:23 PM

ya without a doubt, with primo pasta in the lineup they are pretty much a
.500 team. Hopefully his injuries this year do not start a trend of inuries for the next few years. I really think this team can do well next year: val coming over (hopefully he is not a bust), another lottery pick, and add a decent small forward through offseason transactions and things are looking good.

Psi 04-15-2012 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by pzabby (Post 636343)
see, if all the other division members suck, it'd mean our record would be better since we play a lot against each of em, what is it in a season, 5 per division rival?

So we go 20-0 in the division, then 18-44 against the field.
Seems proper lol :D

JoeyJoJo Shabbadu 04-15-2012 02:45 AM

We played bad teams at 6-7 I think so no. Maybe 3-4 more.

lankganglia 04-15-2012 10:28 AM

Orlando sucks more than anyone thought they would, New york sucks more than anyone thought they would
I remember someone on nbatv a couple weeks ago including the cavs as threats for that 8th seed
I will suffer a heart attack if orlando slips out of the playoffs on the last day and then goes on to win the lottery

if new york wins it maybe they don't take davis? and let him fall to the raps at no 2:cookie:

Chiggmo 04-15-2012 10:38 AM

The only way it would of happened is if he kept playing at an All-Star level, which isn't likely. If the guy isn't hitting all of his shots, hes completely useless to this team as he does nothing else.

I wouldn't mind seeing him and Demar go really.

creative1mm 04-15-2012 04:41 PM

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The only way it would of happened is if he kept playing at an All-Star level, which isn't likely. If the guy isn't hitting all of his shots, hes completely useless to this team as he does nothing else.

I wouldn't mind seeing him and Demar go really.
Demar is 22, and has potential.. his value isn't high, we could sign him for a reasonable amount and there is still a chance he can break out.. that would be a steal

if he was making lots of money and playing the way he did, then yes get rid of him, but I wouldn't give up on him just yet

moremilk 04-15-2012 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 636211)
Bargnani will end the season missing 35 games out of a 66 game schedule. Is it a stretch to think that with him in the lineup for most of those games that we could have won 10 more games? I don't think that's much of a stretch at all. What would tank nation think of a 32 win season and a 1st round exit? Lol

our goal is not to make the playoffs but to build a strong foundation
it's very possible (even quite likely) that the only player on this team who will be here in 3 years is ed davis. Demar and Bargnani may or may not last that long depending on their progress and all the other players are almost certainly not part of our long term future.

therefore, making the playoffs only provides some cheap thrills for the fans, some extra cash for the organization and a chance for some of our outgoing players to raise their value (or drop it) under a greater spotlight.

that being said, it's unlikely that we would have won 30+ games, but we would have gotten very close. If we were a 30 wins team, we don't beat Boston on Friday because they wouldn't have treated the game like a glorified practice session anymore.

Bargn88 04-15-2012 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiggmo (Post 636366)
The only way it would of happened is if he kept playing at an All-Star level, which isn't likely. If the guy isn't hitting all of his shots, hes completely useless to this team as he does nothing else.

I wouldn't mind seeing him and Demar go really.

When he was playing at an allstar level early in the year, it wasn't only his shots that were falling, but his defensive effort and rebounding were also much improved.


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