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Acie 03-18-2011 05:57 PM

Stein: Triano will probably be back next season
 
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Getting a read on the Raptors' future, much like Detroit, will be a lot easier if the Raptors are indeed sold in coming months along with Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment's other properties.

Insiders maintain that current Raptors governor Larry Tanenbaum, should he keep that role after the sale as widely expected in Toronto, badly wants to retain Bryan Colangelo as team president. Colangelo's contract expires June 30, but sources say it's a virtual lock that his long-anticipated contract extension will be pushed through as long as Tanenbaum retains his part-owner status.

Only then can you properly assess Triano's status as head coach. The Raptors have a team option on the Canadian-born Triano for next season -- which the Raps are said to be leaning toward exercising despite the team's extremely painful first season after losing Chris Bosh -- but Colangelo is the first domino.

The prospect of the Raptors and Toronto Maple Leafs being sold only got serious this month, so it remains to be seen how much is resolved here before the NBA draft on June 23, which falls precisely one week before Colangelo's contract runs out.
LINK - ESPN.com

jeffb 03-18-2011 06:07 PM

Fine, let him hang himself next season.

Admiral 03-18-2011 06:53 PM

whatever, there's more serious problems here than the coach

jeffb 03-18-2011 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Admiral (Post 521023)
whatever, there's more serious problems here than the coach

He is one of the bigger problems and if he's not looked upon as a long term solution here with this young core going forward he would need to be let go imo.

DSWC 03-18-2011 08:23 PM

Sigh... Triano IS a big part of the problem- just look at the team's defensive rating over the last few seasons with him at the helm.

However, this only makes sense. There's not a big reason to sign a big named coach (at big money) right now, with: the uncertainty of the new CBA, the uncertainty of the MLSE sale, and the fact that there may be a shorter season (if any) next year. You don't want to bring in a new coach, with new philosophies, etc. in a shortened season. If the Raps do horribly next year, retaining Triano means there's a fall guy. If you eventually want to bring in a better coach, you have to put him in the right position to succeed, and doing this now wouldn't be the best predicament for a new coach.

I personally would like to see a new and better coach, however, this move only makes sense...for now.

CobraKing 03-18-2011 08:28 PM

Isn't Sam Mitchell still on the books for next season? MLSE would probably want him to clear off the books before bringing in another coach.

jeffb 03-18-2011 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CobraKing (Post 521037)
Isn't Sam Mitchell still on the books for next season? MLSE would probably want him to clear off the books before bringing in another coach.

Sam Mitchell is off the books, this would have been his last season but he was hired in NJ which negates his salary this season. His contract didn't run past this season anyway. I thought it was done last June.

js12 03-18-2011 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 521042)
Sam Mitchell is off the books, this would have been his last season but he was hired in NJ which negates his salary this season. His contract didn't run past this season anyway. I thought it was done last June.

Yeah, it was a 3-year extension signed in 2007.

CobraKing 03-18-2011 10:13 PM

jeffb & js12 - thanks alot for clarifying this.

With that said they need to cut Triano loose at the end of the season.

LilRomeo 03-19-2011 02:12 AM

I remember when the Celtics only had Pierce and the team were losing, fans were asking for Doc Rivers' head. Now that they're winning, haters are now sucking his other head - even more when the talks he'll retire when his contract expires and now wanting him to stay long-term.

I'd say let's not judge Triano based on our current roster's performance. We all know our players are nowhere to get starting position or get minutes they currently have if they were in other team in the league - except DeRozan. I know Triano is so frustrating sometimes and make us believe that he has a limited knowledge in coaching knowing that he made ridiculous plays for his players (we could've won in England, if he instructed them other plays instead of pulling the same play that didn't work the previous OTs).

I hope haters out there will not suck Triano's other head once we have a "stronghold" team in a couple of years.

pzabby 03-19-2011 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by LilRomeo (Post 521145)
I remember when the Celtics only had Pierce and the team were losing, fans were asking for Doc Rivers' head. Now that they're winning, haters are now sucking his other head - even more when the talks he'll retire when his contract expires and now wanting him to stay long-term.

I'd say let's not judge Triano based on our current roster's performance. We all know our players are nowhere to get starting position or get minutes they currently have if they were in other team in the league - except DeRozan. I know Triano is so frustrating sometimes and make us believe that he has a limited knowledge in coaching knowing that he made ridiculous plays for his players (we could've won in England, if he instructed them other plays instead of pulling the same play that didn't work the previous OTs).

I hope haters out there will not suck Triano's other head once we have a "stronghold" team in a couple of years.

well said

RAPMAN 03-19-2011 09:35 AM

At least Doc Rivers has showed he could win as a head coach in the NBA with his tenure with the Orlando Magic. Jay Triano has showed he can't coach at any level. As head coach with Simon Fraser University, Jay Triano has a record of 92 wins and 95 losses. Yes, Jay Triano has a losing record as a head coach in the Canadian University Basket League:

Team History

He was .500 head coach as Canada Men's Basketball Team, and has 84 wins and 131 losses as an NBA coach. How can we expect this team to win in the future when its coach doesn't know how to win in any basketball level (CIS, International, NBA)!!!

Superjudge 03-19-2011 09:41 AM

If there was even one guy on this board that had ANY credibility to accurately asses Colangelo or Triano's ability to do their jobs I'd take these posts seriously.

but there isn't, and you guys look like fools chiming off your uneducated opinions as fact.

RAPMAN 03-19-2011 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Superjudge (Post 521158)
If there was even one guy on this board that had ANY credibility to accurately asses Colangelo or Triano's ability to do their jobs I'd take these posts seriously.

but there isn't, and you guys look like fools chiming off your uneducated opinions as fact.

Triano coaching record is not opinion, its a fact!!! The man has a losing record at all levels of basketball. When evaluating the performance and ability of an individual, you look at the man's body of work. So look up Triano coaching record at the CIS, International, NBA, before you sound off on your own "uneducated opinion!!!!'"

Acie 03-19-2011 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RAPMAN (Post 521156)
At least Doc Rivers has showed he could win as a head coach in the NBA with his tenure with the Orlando Magic. Jay Triano has showed he can't coach at any level. As head coach with Simon Fraser University, Jay Triano has a record of 92 wins and 95 losses. Yes, Jay Triano has a losing record as a head coach in the Canadian University Basket League:

Team History

He was .500 head coach as Canada Men's Basketball Team, and has 84 wins and 131 losses as an NBA coach. How can we expect this team to win in the future when its coach doesn't know how to win in any basketball level (CIS, International, NBA)!!!

FWIW SFU played in the NAIA, not the CIS and 52-42 as head coach of one of the weaker international basketball nations is a pretty decent record.

Superjudge 03-19-2011 11:51 AM

Well Acie, I was about to lay fire down..... but you kinda gave away a few of my points....

But yes Rapman. Triano coached SFU when they were playing against vastly superior talent in the NAIA. It was very impressive and to be honest, it layed the foundation for what is happening at SFU now as they have been accepted into NCAA Div II. First Canuck school to do either of those things.

As the Coach for Team Canada he had major success and was know for getting the most out of, and over achieving with a very undermanned and under skilled Canadian team.

Need we get into what he's working with in Toronto.

So before you go toss some stats at me STATMAN, learn about the game, learn about the topic at hand. The Best coaches in the world give Triano nothing but props, it's their opinions that hold water... not yours. Not with me at least.

moremilk 03-19-2011 12:35 PM

I think Triano is becoming more hard ass too, I liked how he gave davis very limited minutes last night, after a bad performance in Detroit. I have no problem with Triano, especially when you look at the available names (willing to come here). Let's face it, until we're above .500 and start looking like a team poised to make some noies, we won't get a big name to come here.

My biggest fear is that triano's easy going attitude would compromise the evolution of our young players. However, it looks like he's not that easy on them after all ...

All in all, we are going to suck next season regardless. This team lacks star material, and we're only getting that through the draft. So I'm not sure we even need a big name coach to come here so soon.

jj33 03-19-2011 01:32 PM

FUCK NO!!!! Fire his ass!!!! I would rather draft a Canadian player than having a Canadian coach!!

RAPMAN 03-19-2011 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Superjudge (Post 521173)

So before you go toss some stats at me STATMAN, learn about the game, learn about the topic at hand. The Best coaches in the world give Triano nothing but props, it's their opinions that hold water... not yours. Not with me at least.

Who gives two shits if he gets complements from Team USA coaches. So what, Triano is a player's coach, he has a good relationship with his players and fellow coaches. Look at his body of work. This is the man who going to change the culture of the team. This is the man who is going to suddenly teach this team how to play defense. Look at the team on the floor. The players getting all the shots and most of the minutes, are the same players who have no accountability on defense.

"The coaching staff would appreciate it if he shot less and defended more. Maybe thatís a difficult gospel to preach on a team on which the statistical leaders, the likes of Andrea Bargnani and DeMar DeRozan, also refuse to practice it conscientiously. ...More defence? I donít know about more defence,Ē Weems said. ďIf I recall, the whole teamís been giving up more than 100 points a game defensively. You canít put it all on me.Ē

If you don't want to look at the man's win-loss record, look at the team on the floor. Look at where this team ranks defensively the last two years. Triano's goal the last two year's have been defense. If his main goal was defense, and if his team ranks near the bottom of the league in defense the last two years, has Triano failed or succeeded as a coach. FAILED!!!

jj33 03-19-2011 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RAPMAN (Post 521195)
Who gives two shits if he gets complements from Team USA coaches. So what, Triano is a player's coach, he has a good relationship with his players and fellow coaches. Look at his body of work. This is the man who going to change the culture of the team. This is the man who is going to suddenly teach this team how to play defense. Look at the team on the floor. The players getting all the shots and most of the minutes, are the same players who have no accountability on defense.

"The coaching staff would appreciate it if he shot less and defended more. Maybe thatís a difficult gospel to preach on a team on which the statistical leaders, the likes of Andrea Bargnani and DeMar DeRozan, also refuse to practice it conscientiously. ...More defence? I donít know about more defence,Ē Weems said. ďIf I recall, the whole teamís been giving up more than 100 points a game defensively. You canít put it all on me.Ē

If you don't want to look at the man's win-loss record, look at the team on the floor. Look at where this team ranks defensively the last two years. Triano's goal the last two year's have been defense. If his main goal was defense, and if his team ranks near the bottom of the league in defense the last two years, has Triano failed or succeeded as a coach. FAILED!!!

BANG!!!! Almost every time derozan's man goes for 20+. If he doesn't improve on D, we gonna need a new SG.. or a C like D12!


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