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Old 06-29-2013, 05:49 PM   #1 (permalink)
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NBA Source: Raptors join Bledsoe talks - ESPN

Article mentions dealing Bargs and/or Demar for him.
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Old 06-29-2013, 05:54 PM   #2 (permalink)
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That would be dumb imo, I think Bledsoe is over hyped, not worth giving away Demar
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He's definitely hyped up, but he's still a pretty sick player.. I'd take him over Lowry's stank ass attitude in a heartbeat.
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He's definitely hyped up, but he's still a pretty sick player.. I'd take him over Lowry's stank ass attitude in a heartbeat.
stank ass attitude?


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It is pretty stanky! and best believe that he's gone if we don't overpay him at the end of this year.. On top of that, if Bargs finds his game again, they will win this deal, no probbblem. Come to think of it, Bargs would look pretty sick behind ginger boy in the PF rotation, that's actually a really good team for him to jump into.
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Unless we're rebuilding, this would be pointless as Lowry is currently far ahead of Bledsoe.
Obviously if we could get him for just Bargs plus a second rounder, then I'm all for it, but otherwise the answer is no.
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Unless we're rebuilding, this would be pointless as Lowry is currently far ahead of Bledsoe,
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Unless we're rebuilding, this would be pointless as Lowry is currently far ahead of Bledsoe,
Agreed, but as a backup for a year it might be a good idea. If we keep Lowry after this season then Bledsoe could be a tradable asset. If we don't he's our starter the following season going forward.
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That would be dumb imo, I think Bledsoe is over hyped, not worth giving away Demar
He's overhyped but still very talented and without a bad contract (yet).

In terms of assets, it would be a nobrainer, IMO. I'm not sure if I'd want the Raptors to keep Bledsoe long term, maybe just use it as a piece for a good pick.

However, DeMar for Bledsoe? Considering the Clippers refused Afflalo for Bledsoe and wanted the Magic to add Nicholson and other pieces... I don't see this happening.
Their asking price will be more than just DeMar, I suspect.
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There has to be more to this deal.. salaries are way too different, and we would be getting hosed!
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It is pretty stanky! and best believe that he's gone if we don't overpay him at the end of this year.. On top of that, if Bargs finds his game again, they will win this deal, no probbblem. Come to think of it, Bargs would look pretty sick behind ginger boy in the PF rotation, that's actually a really good team for him to jump into.
I've had absolutely no problem with Lowry's attitude since coming here.
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There has to be more to this deal.. salaries are way too different, and we would be getting hosed!
There was a deal rumored:

Afflalo for Butler/Bledsoe


Going by that......


Bledsoe/Butler for Derozan or Bargs + ??
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He's overhyped but still very talented and without a bad contract (yet).

In terms of assets, it would be a nobrainer, IMO. I'm not sure if I'd want the Raptors to keep Bledsoe long term, maybe just use it as a piece for a good pick.

However, DeMar for Bledsoe? Considering the Clippers refused Afflalo for Bledsoe and wanted the Magic to add Nicholson and other pieces... I don't see this happening.
Their asking price will be more than just DeMar, I suspect.
You're probably right. As many holes in DeMar's game as there are, I don't know if I'd trade more than him for Bledsoe, straight up. As stated previously, Bledsoe would be a good option if we're doing a full rebuild though. Get'er done MUMU.
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He's overhyped but still very talented and without a bad contract (yet).

In terms of assets, it would be a nobrainer, IMO. I'm not sure if I'd want the Raptors to keep Bledsoe long term, maybe just use it as a piece for a good pick.

However, DeMar for Bledsoe? Considering the Clippers refused Afflalo for Bledsoe and wanted the Magic to add Nicholson and other pieces... I don't see this happening.
Their asking price will be more than just DeMar, I suspect.
no way is Bledsoe more valuable or a better player than Demar (and I don't even like Demar much)
The fact that Clippers are hipping him up like crazy, doesn't mean we have to buy in to it
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Unless we're rebuilding, this would be pointless as Lowry is currently far ahead of Bledsoe.
He'd probably get minutes at both SG and backup PG for this team. Lowry-Bledsoe would be a small backcourt, but so is Rondo-Bradley, and it was beautiful -- defensively.

Bledsoe is small but he has the wingspan of a SG (which is as important defensively as height) and plays high energy D. Despite his size, he'd be an upgrade on defense and offensively as a role player he's a nice fit at SG too. On top of it, he's a massive upgrade as the backup PG.

I don't think the team gets worse actually, and if it does, it's marginal.

But again, I think the Clippers would ask for more pieces in that deal.
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no way is Bledsoe more valuable or a better player than Demar (and I don't even like Demar much)
The fact that Clippers are hipping him up like crazy, doesn't mean we have to buy in to it
It doesn't -- but that's what they are asking.

If you are a contending team and want to compete now, who do you take, DeMar or Afflalo? I take Afflalo. He'd stretch the floor better, which they need, and he's a solid defender when he isn't asked to carry a team offensively.

But they refused Afflalo. Which makes me believe that they will refuse DeMar.
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It doesn't -- but that's what they are asking.

If you are a contending team and want to compete now, who do you take, DeMar or Afflalo? I take Afflalo. He'd stretch the floor better, which they need, and he's a solid defender when he isn't asked to carry a team offensively.

But they refused Afflalo. Which makes me believe that they will refuse DeMar.
DeMar? in lob-city? forget abouuuuut it!
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This trade makes sense for Toronto, in getting an expiring contract in Butler, and obviously Bledsoe in return. Bledsoe, although not a proven starting PG, has shown a LOT of good signs as a player in the past 2 years, as he's more than capable of impacting games when he's struggling on offence, which is key in building a successful winning team. He's a VERY good rebounder, defender, and his athleticism is off the charts. The key with his athleticism is he knows how to use it to his advantage, and he's often the most disruptive force on the court not only on defence, but also with offensive rebounding.

The two things he has to work on obviously are his shooting and passing, but the good thing about Bledsoe is he doesn't take bad shots, and just because teams go under screens, he doesn't force the pull up game, he's smarter than that. If we're going to become a winning team in the next few seasons, I wouldn't be against trading Demar for one of the better PG prospects in the NBA, who may already be the best defensive PG in the league.

In terms of the fit with Demar on LAC, just like with the Raptors, he's really going to have to improve his 3 point shooting to be a good fit on that team. They aren't going to implement multiple screen plays for Demar to get his, so Demar will have to change his game a bit and be more of a slasher, and 3 point threat to fit in a CP3 run pick and roll offence. It looks like a better fit for them LONGTERM than Afflalo because of Demars age and roots, but for the next 2-3 years, I think Afflalo would fit better in their halfcourt game because he's a better player overall, and shooter obviously.

I approve of the trade though, if its Bledsoe and Butler for Demar, which works in the trade checker, because I'd rather keep Rudy than Demar for another year if I had to choose, as he'll have more value on the market with less years on his deal and a better impact on winning(for teams in win now mode, next year, if we're going to trade Rudy, it'd be best to do so next off season, not next trade deadline so he's not seen as a rental)
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DeMar? in lob-city? forget abouuuuut it!
Lob City needs great spacing. Otherwise good playoff defenses just crowd inside.

If DeAndre could hit from mid-range, or Blake was more reliable as a shooter, they could handle it. But I think they are much better off with a defender-shooter right now.

Not to mention, I'm not sure how Doc feels about guards who are below average defensively.
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Obviously this wouldn't be it but the principles would be:


Toronto: Afflalo, Butler

Orlando: Bledsoe

LAC: Derozan


The extra's could be played with.
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