The Star: Who stays, who gets traded?
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When we think of what changes the Raptors will go through this off-season, it’s important to think of them the way the guys who’ll make those decisions do — corporately.


Brian Burke is off grumbling about how he built the Leafs instead of riding the current upswing because he didn’t.


Bryan Colangelo will continue in charge because he does.


The Raptors GM does not rock boats, go off on screeds or pick public fights. He speaks the language the MLSE board prefers — numbing technocratese.


Most importantly, despite the Leafs’ Methuselah impression and the warm wind of imminent winning baseball, his losing team is still drawing interest. Sunday night’s game against Cleveland — a meaningless contest that had no right pulling a crowd — was sold out. Whatever their faults, the Raptors are still a viable entertainment business.


That’s why Colangelo will be re-upped for his option year. That’s why he will feel no inclination to draw unwanted attention by monkeying with the coach’s job. Colangelo needs to consult the board for two reasons — to go over-budget, or to fire the coach. The less facetime he enjoys with the suits, the better off he is.


For his part, coach Dwane Casey has proven over two seasons that his first, second and last concern is winning games for this franchise. Lesser leaders would have spent two seasons tossing guys overboard. Casey’s been this club’s unselfish icebreaker. In a just world, he’s running the fleet for years to come.


Though the season was a mitigated disappointment, everything still augurs for status quo in 2013/14.


Were he forced to make an argument for the team as he’s constructed it, Colangelo still has a decent evidentiary case to make that he’s got his arms round the problem. He hasn’t wrestled it to the ground yet, but it hasn’t pinned him either.


Before we get to the solution (limited and essentially singular), let’s try and figure out the problems (expansive and multiple).


The Raptors have a point guard who’s inclined to take the bank robber’s route every time things go wrong — by dropping the money and deciding he’s going to blast his way out alone. This is still better than his back-ups, who forgot to bring guns.


Their star doesn’t shoot very well, but well enough that there’s no point in trying to stop him.


Amir Johnson aside, they aren’t very tough or active inside. No one can sink threes. Owing to what’s starting to seem like a degenerative wrist injury, Landry Fields looks like he’s tossing confetti every time he tries a jumper.


We’ll lay Andrea Bargnani aside for a moment. Pretend Bargnani doesn’t exist. That’s the way he prefers it. That’s how it’s going to end up.


The contracts? The contracts are horrible. There is no way to justify Gay’s max deal, and less of a way to explain why Fields or Bargnani have deals at all. The only winner in all this is DeMar DeRozan, so far down the red-ink tabulator that his needless four-year, $38 million extension looks reasonable by comparison.


That said, there is neither room for major change or the real need to start over. Colangelo has said all along that he has a “plan.” Casey likes to repeat the word “process” like a chanting monk. It’s not quite the same thing — Colangelo’s talking about firing bricks; Casey’s talking about stacking them in a way that will stand a strong wind.


Though the current results are still flawed, the performance graph is undeniably inching upward in the only place that matters — the standings.


If we assume that the team that finally fought its way out of the paper bag after the initial 4-19 run sank the season is the real Raptors, then this is a passable NBA squad. They’re 21-20 since then.
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Here are the assumptions for next year.


Gay will continue to be a dangerous, but frustratingly inefficient shooter who gets you 18 points a night. His presence will continue to open up the floor for DeRozan, whose numbers will continue to improve, especially at the free-throw line.


The game will slow down for Jonas Valanciunas, allowing this year’s top performer, Amir Johnson, to gradually slide into the bench role he’s best suited to. When that finally happens, they’ll know they’re getting somewhere.


Here’s a best guess at the roster:


Enthusiastically In: Terrence Ross, Kyle Lowry, Johnson, Valanciunas, Gay, DeRozan


Necessarily In: John Lucas, Aaron Gray


Grudgingly In: Fields


Necessarily Out: Sebastian Telfair, Alan Anderson, Mickael Pietrus


Enthusiastically Out: Linas Kleiza, Bargnani


At this point, the primary mission is jettisoning Bargnani. It will have to be via trade, though it hardly matters what you get for him at this point. For reasons that would make a pretty decent psych thesis, the Italian has become a city-wide goat and emotional sinkhole. He cannot be here come the start of camp. Kleiza will be quietly amnestied.


Once the shedding of some skin is done, the core group is four-legs-on-the-ground solid. They’re already competitive in a conference that won’t get much better any time soon. It’ll likely get worse.


The Raptors are probably already a playoff team next year. Not a very good one. A grab-hold-of-eighth-place-like-a-life-preserver playoff team.


But only a few things need to happen in order for that goal to slide into reach. They need another aggressive inside presence to complement Johnson and spare Valanciunas. They need a three-point shooter. They need a back-up point guard. Whatever decision must be made about Lowry long-term can wait until after next season.

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Interesting article. Hard to argue with in many aspects.
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Here is my plan: petition for a league wide fantasy draft. Stern wants to be fair so he puts it in order by best records (meaning best teams get highest picks). We get a relatively low pick and end up with somebody like jrue holiday. Our team sucks but has a good amount of young, good prospects. We tank next year and get andrew wiggins
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Here is my plan: petition for a league wide fantasy draft. Stern wants to be fair so he puts it in order by best records (meaning best teams get highest picks). We get a relatively low pick and end up with somebody like jrue holiday. Our team sucks but has a good amount of young, good prospects. We tank next year and get andrew wiggins
forget wiggins, the pressure on him here would be too much. I'd love to see Jrue here though. Imagine having a top ten PG.... that would be sick.
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My prediction for 2013-14:


Out: Kleiza, Bargs, Pietrus, Telfair

Needs: Backup PG, vet shooter off the bench, PF/C (preferably a starting caliber PF)

Just a guess:

Lowry/ Harris? / JL3
Derozan/ Ross/ Fields
Gay/ Korver?/ Anderson
Trade/ Amir/ Acy
Valanciunas/ Amir/ Gray


Not that i necessarily want Devin Harris here but i could see us going after him. lol

Possible wildcard trade pieces: Ross, Derozan
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My prediction for 2013-14:


Out: Kleiza, Bargs, Pietrus, Telfair

Needs: Backup PG, vet shooter off the bench, PF/C (preferably a starting caliber PF)

Just a guess:

Lowry/ Harris? / JL3
Derozan/ Ross/ Fields
Gay/ Korver?/ Anderson
Trade/ Amir/ Acy
Valanciunas/ Amir/ Gray


Not that i necessarily want Devin Harris here but i could see us going after him. lol

Possible wildcard trade pieces: Ross, Derozan
Korver? Why would we waste money on Korver? We've got Landry, Ross, DD, Gay and AA..... we don't need korver unless two of the others are gone.

I think we should be open to all possibilities, even an Iggy/Lawson/Gallo for DD/Bargnani/Lowry/second rounder deal!



On an unrelated note, how awesome would Al Jefferson fit on this team? Sick.
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Korver? Why would we waste money on Korver? We've got Landry, Ross, DD, Gay and AA..... we don't need korver unless two of the others are gone.

I think we should be open to all possibilities, even an Iggy/Lawson/Gallo for DD/Bargnani/Lowry/second rounder deal!



On an unrelated note, how awesome would Al Jefferson fit on this team? Sick.
I can see us going after Korver because BC has said we need shooters and he's a shooter. As much as anything i'm putting up what i believe might be done not necessarily what should happen. That being said Korver would easily be our best shooter off the bench other than maybe Lucas.
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I can see us going after Korver because BC has said we need shooters and he's a shooter. As much as anything i'm putting up what i believe might be done not necessarily what should happen. That being said Korver would easily be our best shooter off the bench other than maybe Lucas.
yeah, but I certainly hope he's not a guy we go after.... no more mediocre wings, even though he's serviceable, we don't need him if we trust that Ross is going to be that much improved.
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yeah, but I certainly hope he's not a guy we go after.... no more mediocre wings, even though he's serviceable, we don't need him if we trust that Ross is going to be that much improved.
So Ross is enough wing depth? AA & Fields seriously don't cut it either. Our wing depth is a a joke right now.
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if we get rid of bargs, and our only bigs are val, amir and acy. I would love to try to get kanter if milsap is not an option
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So Ross is enough wing depth? AA & Fields seriously don't cut it either. Our wing depth is a a joke right now.
how much money do you want/expect to throw at solving the ineptitude of our wing players?

Gay 17, DD, 9, Landry 6, Ross 2, AA likely 2-3 cause Casey likes him.....when does it stop? Ross should be better next season. Landry should be better next season given he should be healthy and playing less Vita. AA is going to get minutes, guaranteed, until guys show they can defend like he does. Korver may seem like an upgrade, but once signed, he's just another guy that won't get enough minutes.
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if we get rid of bargs, and our only bigs are val, amir and acy. I would love to try to get kanter if milsap is not an option
I was very worried that Kanter was going to be Araujo 2.0.... but he's definitely showed he's capable of much more. I'd be good with him too.... but I wouldn't trade Ross for him cause I like Ross' athleticism and skills which should translate to being a good defender and shooter in the future.
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how much money do you want/expect to throw at solving the ineptitude of our wing players?

Gay 17, DD, 9, Landry 6, Ross 2, AA likely 2-3 cause Casey likes him.....when does it stop? Ross should be better next season. Landry should be better next season given he should be healthy and playing less Vita. AA is going to get minutes, guaranteed, until guys show they can defend like he does. Korver may seem like an upgrade, but once signed, he's just another guy that won't get enough minutes.
The only money of any significance we'll probably spend is on a veteran wing that can shoot the 3. Just a guess obviously, but i think we'll sign a vet minimum backup PG or use the Mini MLE if possible (i believe that's about 2.8mil). I would assume we'll aquire a big through trade. Now obviously it could be the opposite and we sign a big and trade for a vet wing...


Unless we throw another strong asset in with Bargnani in a deal i just don't know what we could get for him on his own.

I also think it's very very possible that AA is also not back next season along with Kleiza, Pietrus. And if so our only backup wings are Fields/Ross........certainly not enough. This team needs at least one more player that can hit 3's, and preferably two if the backup PG can do so as well. Either way the depth on this team needs a bit of an overhaul.
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The only money of any significance we'll probably spend is on a veteran wing that can shoot the 3. Just a guess obviously, but i think we'll sign a vet minimum backup PG or use the Mini MLE if possible (i believe that's about 2.8mil). I would assume we'll aquire a big through trade. Now obviously it could be the opposite and we sign a big and trade for a vet wing...


Unless we throw another strong asset in with Bargnani in a deal i just don't know what we could get for him on his own.

I also think it's very very possible that AA is also not back next season along with Kleiza, Pietrus. And if so our only backup wings are Fields/Ross........certainly not enough. This team needs at least one more player that can hit 3's, and preferably two if the backup PG can do so as well. Either way the depth on this team needs a bit of an overhaul.
The depth always sorts itself out....let's worry about the starters. We need a bruising four man that isn't a liability on D. And we need Ross and JV to take major steps. And DD needs to defend or get involved in a deal.
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The depth always sorts itself out....let's worry about the starters. We need a bruising four man that isn't a liability on D. And we need Ross and JV to take major steps. And DD needs to defend or get involved in a deal.
We're set at 4 positions in the starting rotation and imo if we had to Amir could start at PF and i wouldn't blink. That being said we absolutely need another 4 i agree there, preferably a starter. But that's far from all we need. Our bench has blown leads a lot this season, especially since the deal. If AA is here next season playing 25-30mpg off the bench we're going to suck again.

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Korver? Why would we waste money on Korver? We've got Landry, Ross, DD, Gay and AA..... we don't need korver unless two of the others are gone.

I think we should be open to all possibilities, even an Iggy/Lawson/Gallo for DD/Bargnani/Lowry/second rounder deal!



On an unrelated note, how awesome would Al Jefferson fit on this team? Sick.
Iggy....this guy needs to be wipedfrom all of our Trade thoughts. We have gay now, another starter brick layer in Iggy would set this team back another 5 years (yet move us ahead decades in the brick masonry business)......No more bricks, our wall is so high, no one can shoot over it anymore....

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Iggy....this guy needs to be wipedfrom all of our Trade thoughts. We have gay now, another starter brick layer in Iggy would set this team back another 5 years......No more bricks, our wall is so high, no one can shoot over it anymore....
Iggy is so much better than our current SG it's not even funny.... and of the two, he's the one that can hit the three.
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Anderson will be gone because we won't pay him as much as someone else will. No way we give him 2-3 years.

Amir is better than almost any other PF starter we are going to find. Assuming we don't find some kind of easter egg PF like milsap our needs will be;

Needs; Bench PG, bench PF and bench SF/SG combo that can shoot a three (Fields, Ross plus 1). Not lots to improve upon here because we have middling talent or talent that needs time and there is probabaly nobody better available.... sadly.
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Iggy is so much better than our current SG it's not even funny.... and of the two, he's the one that can hit the three.
Ross + DD for Iggy and Hamilton
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Iggy is so much better than our current SG it's not even funny.... and of the two, he's the one that can hit the three.
Ya, maybe in 2K11 hes better....time to educate your self with a google search ...... ya Iggys is SOOOO much better.....NOT

Iggy - Min 34.2 FG 0.448 3/pt 0.312 FT 0.579 REB5.2 Assist5.1 PPG12.9

Derozen Min37.3 FG 0.434 3pt 0.250 FT 0.834 REB4.1 assist 2.7 PPG 17.7
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