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Old 06-04-2012, 02:50 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Well, that's how the execs view their prized picks.
And you think the raps look at Ed and Demar as fodder? While I don't think they're all-stars, they're still young players capable of more while still on cheap contracts too. And you want to add in our pick? The odds of the #2 pick being the best player in the trade in 5 years is not very high.
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And you think the raps look at Ed and Demar as fodder? While I don't think they're all-stars, they're still young players capable of more while still on cheap contracts too. And you want to add in our pick? The odds of the #2 pick being the best player in the trade in 5 years is not very high.
Fair enough. I don't think Ed and DD are fodder but they were 9th and 13th picks. The most we can ever ever ever ever ever expect from DD is to be like Rip Hamilton or Kevin Martin, however as I said before, he could also be like Maggette and he wouldn't have a role for a playoff team (which I've stated many times before). Ed - there's no point of having him on the team as long as Bargs is here. He needs his mins badly. He can't play C. I'm not saying he's a bad player - I've wanted him to start this whole season and last year he was my fav rap, just currently he's a bad fit.
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Fair enough. I don't think Ed and DD are fodder but they were 9th and 13th picks. The most we can ever ever ever ever ever expect from DD is to be like Rip Hamilton or Kevin Martin, however as I said before, he could also be like Maggette and he wouldn't have a role for a playoff team (which I've stated many times before). Ed - there's no point of having him on the team as long as Bargs is here. He needs his mins badly. He can't play C. I'm not saying he's a bad player - I've wanted him to start this whole season and last year he was my fav rap, just currently he's a bad fit.
I think we should do a deal with Sactown in that case cause I really do agree with that point and I'd rather trade Ed now before he losses anymore trade value. Have him play along side Cousins which I think those 2 would be very good together....trade Ed/DD/#8 for Evans/#5. Evans has become expendable with Thomas there and is stuck behind Thornton for sure.

We can then draft an SF like Barnes and really go after and even slightly overpay for a distributing pg like Goran. Have a line up of JV, Bargs, Barnes, Evans, Goran. or go after and really overpay for a SG like Gordon and have a line of JV, Bargs, Barnes, Gordon, Evans.

Or draft Lillard and go after AI - Have a line-up of JV, Bargs, AI, Evans, Lillard. I kinda like this one the best.

One simple trade, one draft and one pick-up and this team is set for awhile. Evans opens the door to many possibilities - to me he's the guy I target.

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I think we should do a deal with Sactown in that case cause I really do agree with that point and I'd rather trade Ed now before he losses anymore trade value. Have him play along side Cousins which I think those 2 would be very good together....trade Ed/DD/#8 for Evans/#5. Evans has become expendable with Thomas there and is stuck behind Thornton for sure.

We can then draft an SF like Barnes and really go after and even slightly overpay for a distributing pg like Goran. Have a line up of JV, Bargs, Barnes, Evans, Goran. or go after and really overpay for a SG like Gordon and have a line of JV, Bargs, Barnes, Gordon, Evans.

Or draft Lillard and go after AI - Have a line-up of JV, Bargs, AI, Evans, Lillard. I kinda like this one the best.

One simple trade, one draft and one pick-up and this team is set for awhile. Evans opens the door to many possibilities - to me he's the guy I target.
i really don't like the idea of evans at PG, but the 1st scenario is very interesting. of course the inevitable question will sac take that deal? it's not a crazy one imo.

evans and barnes could be a very good wing pairing, one drives, the other is a shooter.

what are you doing with jose in this scenario? back-up? Even if we failed to get dragic, jose could do us a job at PG.
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The question is, would Jose be willing to let T.Evans handle the ball?
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Old 06-05-2012, 01:31 AM   #46 (permalink)
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not worth it.
it would be worth it imo, in the nba, it's almost always better to have one very good player as opposed to two good players. Of course, it all depends on how you rate MKG or Beal or whoever you pick there. If he's a star and a clear upgrade over derozan, you make that trade without hesitation.

Not only you upgrade a position, you also get three extra years of a low-pay starter, which is very valuable in itself. Assuming derozan raises his play to a 7-8 million contract, that means you could use the difference of about 5 million to sign some MLE level player for 3 years. So you're really trading #8 and derozan for #2 and a MLE quality player ...
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you also get three extra years of a low-pay starter, which is very valuable in itself.
That is one of the reasons why I wouldn't mind DD being replaced by Lamb. I can horribly envision BC handing DD a contract extension where he'll earn $8-10 million/year
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The question is, would Jose be willing to let T.Evans handle the ball?
Does it really matter? JC is a team player and will do what hes asked to. I think the trade works for both teams extremely well. However LKeet6 is right, JC could easily handle the pg duties if the raps couldn't find or trade for one.
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Look at what Aldridge thinks on us picking 8th.
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Old 06-05-2012, 05:25 AM   #50 (permalink)
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Henson, Sullinger and T. Jones?
He is pretty certain we trade Bargnani then?
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Henson, Sullinger and T. Jones?
He is pretty certain we trade Bargnani then?
Why? None of them would be starters right away if ever. Why not trade Davis or Amir or both?

Bargnani/Sullinger/JJ
Joval/Gray/?
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Old 06-05-2012, 01:50 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Look at what Aldridge thinks on us picking 8th.
A lot of people have Terrence Jones lower but I agree with Aldridge, he has the body and skills to play PF in league almost immediately .TO needs more big bodies and trade some of the smurfs filling the role now...

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I think we should do a deal with Sactown in that case cause I really do agree with that point and I'd rather trade Ed now before he losses anymore trade value. Have him play along side Cousins which I think those 2 would be very good together....trade Ed/DD/#8 for Evans/#5. Evans has become expendable with Thomas there and is stuck behind Thornton for sure.

We can then draft an SF like Barnes and really go after and even slightly overpay for a distributing pg like Goran. Have a line up of JV, Bargs, Barnes, Evans, Goran. or go after and really overpay for a SG like Gordon and have a line of JV, Bargs, Barnes, Gordon, Evans.

Or draft Lillard and go after AI - Have a line-up of JV, Bargs, AI, Evans, Lillard. I kinda like this one the best.

One simple trade, one draft and one pick-up and this team is set for awhile. Evans opens the door to many possibilities - to me he's the guy I target.

I agree. Ed still has some great trade value right now. I think he has promise but just like Amir there is just something missing. That inner fire, that drive to be the best ... just don't see it in those two guys.

I like all of your ideas and assessments ... now if only BC can make something happen! Raptor fans have been waiting patiently for years now ... we need a BIG move soon!!
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That is one of the reasons why I wouldn't mind DD being replaced by Lamb. I can horribly envision BC handing DD a contract extension where he'll earn $8-10 million/year
I agree. I think Lamb>DD is a +

The Raps are changing their image, DD and his soft girly play just doesn't cut it with the new school raptors. Jose is another guy I love but just HAS to go.
If we are going to change the culture of this team we can't have guys that can't cover a pizza pizza bill.
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Does it really matter? JC is a team player and will do what hes asked to. I think the trade works for both teams extremely well. However LKeet6 is right, JC could easily handle the pg duties if the raps couldn't find or trade for one.
I don't know why everyone is "O.K." with JC playing pg again? yes, he distributes the ball well and doesn't turn it over but EVERY single time the other team touches the ball he becomes a liability. It's effectively 5 on 4 every defensive possession we have. That is not going to cut it. Off the bench for a spark of offense sure, but running the show AGAIN? Hell no. I LOVE Jose and his play and what he has done for the city but the raps are trying to instill a new culture, how can you do that when your floor general simply cannot play Defense? Just my 2 cents. I REALLY think we need a new PG.
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Look at what Aldridge thinks on us picking 8th.
Love it. No sign of this douche Lamb
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2011-12 RECORD: 23-43, fourth, Atlantic
NEEDS: Small forward, power forward
LIKELY PICK(S): Harkless, Henson, Sullinger, Terrence Jones, F, Kentucky

The Raptors have put some pieces in place, and if they get center Jonas Valanciunas over next season, they'll have two-thirds of their frontcourt set, with Valanciunas joining 2006 first-round pick Andrea Bargnani. The last one-third should come in June. Harkless would make sense here if he's still on the board, though he'd be making the transition from power forward in college to small forward in the pros. Jones would be doing the same thing, but he's proven to be a better 3-point shooter in college than Harkless was. Sullinger would be a safe pick; the Raptors have thought about a frontcourt with the 7-foot Bargnani at the three spot.
We have a need at PF? That list is simply pathetic!
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We have a need at PF? That list is simply pathetic!
Why?
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Why?
I don't want any of them. Harkless isn't even projected to be a lottery pick. And we do not need another PF, and at #8 we should be able to do better than Sullinger. If not trade the pick and get a SF.
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^^^ I like Harkless, he's getting a lot of buzz at 8. He isn't a guy that's going to set a workout on fire, but he's got a big time motor, ideal size and an improving skill set. He reminds me more of Deng than Barnes, actually. That being said, I'm not really interested in him. But his generating buzz at 8 is justified IMO.

I'd be very happy with Sullinger, personally. Yes, he doesn't fit a need, but he very well could be the BPA. He's intelligent, works hard, and has more talent than Ed and Amir combined. Scola upside, IMO. May also eventually spell the end of you know who.
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