Star ledger: Marion S&T to Dallas or New Orleans?

jeffb · 06-30-2009, 09:55 AM

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SHOOTING GUARDS
1. Kobe Bryant, Lakers (ETO): If you think he's leaving, you're mistaken.
2. Ben Gordon, Bulls: Could verbally commit to Detroit tomorrow.
3. Allen Iverson, Pistons: His market is either Charlotte or Palookaville.
4. Kyle Korver, Jazz (ETO): Enormously popular in Salt Lake City.
5. Anthony Parker, Raptors: Toronto wants to sign-and-trade him.
6. Marquis Daniels, Pacers (TO): Indy can't pay $7.3M; Warriors like him.
OTHERS: Dahntay Jones, Rashad McCants (R), Shannon Brown, Michael Finley (PO), Von Wafer, Devin Brown, Kareem Rush, Stephen Graham, Fred Jones, Keith Bogans, Alex Acker, Quinton Ross, Mo Ager, Morris Almond

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SMALL FORWARDS
1. Hedo Turkoglu, Magic (ETO): If he gets $10M per offer, Magic let him walk.
2. Shawn Marion, Raptors: Raptors might sign-and-trade to Mavs or Hornets.
3. Trevor Ariza, Lakers: Helped himself in playoffs more than anyone.
4. Lamar Odom, Lakers: Still a perfect Kobe sidekick, so he'll stick.
5. Ron Artest, Rockets: Best of this group, but few would risk it.
6. Marvin Williams, Hawks (R): Probably will play out the year with qualifier.
7. Linas Kleiza, Nuggets (R): Nuggets will wait out offer sheets, then decide.
OTHERS: Jamario Moon (R), Matt Barnes, Hakim Warrick (R), Leon Powe (R), Grant Hill, Rodney Carney, Ime Udoka, Yakhouba Diawara, Cartier Martin, Joey Graham (R), Wally Szczerbiak, Devean George (PO), Gerald Green, Ryan Bowen, Desmond Mason, Louis Amundson (TO).

I don't know where this is coming from?

Ugo Ferst · 06-30-2009, 09:57 AM

why would anybody give up anything of any substance for marion when you could get him for free on the open market anyways, we cant throw more $ then anybody else at him, unless we are fools. If it did happen, expect little to nothing in return, imo, or ill even admit BC has some swag if he got a starter out of shawn

jeffb · 06-30-2009, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Ugo Ferst

why would anybody give up anything of any substance for marion when you could get him for free on the open market anyways, we cant throw more $ then anybody else at him, unless we are fools. If it did happen, expect little to nothing in return, imo, or ill even admit BC has some swag if he got a starter out of shawn

Because he'd be signed with the Raptors prior to making a deal therefore it would have to be a trade.

Shawn Marion BTW would get us a pretty good player, if not BC will let him walk and sign Hedo.

Jakkal · 06-30-2009, 10:07 AM

He has no money to sign Hedo. Hedo isn't coming for MLE.

gdaytday · 06-30-2009, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jakkal

He has no money to sign Hedo. Hedo isn't coming for MLE.

If Marion and Parker walk we've got all kinds of money to sign Hedo.

jeffb · 06-30-2009, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by gdaytday

If Marion and Parker walk we've got all kinds of money to sign Hedo.

If we renounce Graham/AP/Marion we have 21Mil according to BC to sign Hedo and a few more players.

06-30-2009, 10:14 AM

signing Hedo does not sound good.

Windex · 06-30-2009, 10:14 AM

the cap number you use is $58 mil when signing new FA's
if we let AP, Graham, Pops and Marion walk we have ~$12 mil to sign new players

jeffb · 06-30-2009, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Windex

the cap number you use is $58 mil when signing new FA's
if we let AP, Graham, Pops and Marion walk we have ~$12 mil to sign new players

Plus MLE (5.8Mil)

Vet Minimum (1.3Mil)

total= 19.1Mil

Odd that BC said last week that if everyone is renounced he'd have 21Mil to spend.

**INSIDER** · 06-30-2009, 10:21 AM

Marion on either Hornets or Mavericks would actually be quite a good fit for him/them.
the reason they consider doing a sign/trade is because if they really want him, they lock him down immediately and dont have to risk losing him to another team via free agency.

i can see Dallas wanting to grab him, but wasnt New Orleans looking to shed its contracts and save money? why would they want to pay out a big contract to Marion?

intriguing though... who would we want in return from either team?
Josh Howard comes to mind... and i'm sure Hornets are trying desperately to get rid of Chandler.

jeffb · 06-30-2009, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by INSIDER

Marion on either Hornets or Mavericks would actually be quite a good fit for him/them.
the reason they consider doing a sign/trade is because if they really want him, they lock him down immediately and dont have to risk losing him to another team via free agency.

i can see Dallas wanting to grab him, but wasnt New Orleans looking to shed its contracts and save money? why would they want to pay out a big contract to Marion?

intriguing though... who would we want in return from either team?
Josh Howard comes to mind... and i'm sure Hornets are trying desperately to get rid of Chandler.

Alot of teams would want a S&T because they can't afford signing him outright without subtracting a contract. Very few teams have 7-9 Mil to spen on a player.

Windex · 06-30-2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb

Plus MLE (5.8Mil)

Vet Minimum (1.3Mil)

total= 19.1Mil

Odd that BC said last week that if everyone is renounced he'd have 21Mil to spend.

he's talking about re signing (S&T possibly), and using MLE and vet min

Hedo isn't a possibility unless we don't re sign our players (double negative?)
b/c he's not coming for MLE money

**zachus** · 06-30-2009, 10:29 AM

Dallas has more to offer in terms of our needs. Jason Terry, Josh Howard, Antoine Wright are all guys I wouldn't mind seeing come back. Jason Terry and Josh Howard would be very nice fits for this team.

Jakkal · 06-30-2009, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb

If we renounce Graham/AP/Marion we have 21Mil according to BC to sign Hedo and a few more players.

The $21 mil is if they keep Marion.

Without Marion it drops to about $12 mil and we'd have to renounce Graham/AP/Marion/Delfino/Pops and we lose the $6mil MLE.

No way you get Hedo and fill the rest of the roster for $12 mil. Even if Hedo was interested, he'd see how crappy the bench would be and wouldn't sign.

B-RAD · 06-30-2009, 10:37 AM

ya, we would get a good player for marion. your acting as if he's joey graham ugo.

BTW, i never want to see hedu in a Raptors jersey for that kind of money. but, you have to think is he looking to be on a contender because he turned down the magic. i also thought him and rashard were best buds.

spuriousjones · 06-30-2009, 10:55 AM

maybe with the hornets, bc would swing a daniels+wright package for marion. daniels would give us that vet back-up at both guard spots (plus his contract has only one more year) wright is a guy that collangelo was reputedly trying to trade into the draft to take a while back. he's long, athletic, versatile, very good passer for a guy his size, and a solid defender. hey, maybe we could even get some kind of pick consideration in the deal. we'd have a lot of young athleticism on the wing with derozen and wright. it would also allow marion to get $8-9MM

B-RAD · 06-30-2009, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb

Plus MLE (5.8Mil)

Vet Minimum (1.3Mil)

total= 19.1Mil

Odd that BC said last week that if everyone is renounced he'd have 21Mil to spend.

The $21 million Colangelo refers to is the difference between what the Raptors' payroll is without new deals for Marion, Parker and Delfino and the expected luxury tax threshold for next season.

But under the league's arcane salary cap, that $21 million doesn't equal $21 million to spend on other free agents. Because the Raptors will be over the salary cap – which will be made official on July 8 – they can only re-sign their own free agents or use them in sign-and-trade transactions. They can't, for instance, say they won't re-sign their own players and then spend the money on new players.

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B-RAD is a gearbox of epic proportions. Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,051 Representing:	ya, we would get a good player for marion. your acting as if he's joey graham ugo. BTW, i never want to see hedu in a Raptors jersey for that kind of money. but, you have to think is he looking to be on a contender because he turned down the magic. i also thought him and rashard were best buds. Last edited by B-RAD; 06-30-2009 at 10:40 AM.

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Ugo Ferst is pounding the rock! Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 4,312 Representing:	why would anybody give up anything of any substance for marion when you could get him for free on the open market anyways, we cant throw more $ then anybody else at him, unless we are fools. If it did happen, expect little to nothing in return, imo, or ill even admit BC has some swag if he got a starter out of shawn

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Jakkal is in dire need of a drink ...hic Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 690 Representing:	He has no money to sign Hedo. Hedo isn't coming for MLE.

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xI_kaptain_Ix is pounding the rock! (Edit) Guest Posts: n/a Representing:	signing Hedo does not sound good.

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Windex is the next dictator of MLSE fresh and clean Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: uʍop ɹǝpun Posts: 21,535 Representing:	the cap number you use is $58 mil when signing new FA's if we let AP, Graham, Pops and Marion walk we have ~$12 mil to sign new players

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INSIDER is craving boobies never too old. Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: richmond hill Posts: 11,132 Representing:	Marion on either Hornets or Mavericks would actually be quite a good fit for him/them. the reason they consider doing a sign/trade is because if they really want him, they lock him down immediately and dont have to risk losing him to another team via free agency. i can see Dallas wanting to grab him, but wasnt New Orleans looking to shed its contracts and save money? why would they want to pay out a big contract to Marion? intriguing though... who would we want in return from either team? Josh Howard comes to mind... and i'm sure Hornets are trying desperately to get rid of Chandler.

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zachus is a Raptors fan Free DeMar DeRozan Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,833 Representing:	Dallas has more to offer in terms of our needs. Jason Terry, Josh Howard, Antoine Wright are all guys I wouldn't mind seeing come back. Jason Terry and Josh Howard would be very nice fits for this team.

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spuriousjones is comfortably numb Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 255 Representing:	maybe with the hornets, bc would swing a daniels+wright package for marion. daniels would give us that vet back-up at both guard spots (plus his contract has only one more year) wright is a guy that collangelo was reputedly trying to trade into the draft to take a while back. he's long, athletic, versatile, very good passer for a guy his size, and a solid defender. hey, maybe we could even get some kind of pick consideration in the deal. we'd have a lot of young athleticism on the wing with derozen and wright. it would also allow marion to get $8-9MM