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FoldedLaundry 12-07-2010 11:51 PM

Standings as of now and predictions
 
As of now, we are at 9th place but technically tied with Charlotte for 8th. I'll say not bad since we lost Bosh. Now where do you guys think we'll be by the All-Star break and by the end of the season? Do we make the playoffs or end up being below 8th and tanking somewhat?

Windex 12-08-2010 12:03 AM

All Star break: 11th
end: 14th

Gurk 12-08-2010 12:05 AM

I hope we don't get 8th spot or anywhere near that. Don't want to be a shitty treadmill team anymore

Torontosaurus 12-08-2010 12:16 AM

We're gonna get a good pick next year. Just how good? is the real question

carp 12-08-2010 12:18 AM

we could finish 13th and lose the lottery.... or Stern will implement some new rule stating expansion teams under 20 years can't pick in the top 10....

eazy187 12-08-2010 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Gurk (Post 474422)
I hope we don't get 8th spot or anywhere near that. Don't want to be a shitty treadmill team anymore

exactly, we need to end this cycle of going no where in a hurry.

it's just frustrating.

Metallikid 12-08-2010 02:28 AM

The treadmill is a fallacy; so few draft choices end up being franchise quality players and there's no guarantee that a #1 pick will get you a franchise player - we already have an example of that on our roster.

Overachieve, play the young guys a tonne, let them learn some BBIQ and develop into a decent core of talent for years to come. Make the 8th seed and prove the doubters wrong, then lose in 6 games and get a taste of the playoffs so you're hungrier for the next year.

rapsmannn 12-08-2010 02:43 AM

charlotte is going to get in this year again, this time they'll be a 8th seed though

finish 11, 33-49

some nights we'll look great other nights we'll look garbage

thanks to the youth movement

finstock 12-08-2010 02:53 AM

Donatas Montiejunas.

NBA Comparison: Andrea Bargnani.

Windex 12-08-2010 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by oneironaught (Post 474459)
Donatas Montiejunas.

NBA Comparison: Andrea Bargnani.

instead of being compared to Dirk, every European big man is going to be compared to Bargs

Nites 12-08-2010 03:10 AM

I'm hoping we are under 10 after the break.

MARTYNAS 12-08-2010 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by oneironaught (Post 474459)
Donatas Montiejunas.

NBA Comparison: Andrea Bargnani.

Motiejūnas*
And he is great. Craptors would be contenders with him, Barg and Jose. :reporter:

finstock 12-08-2010 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MARTYNAS (Post 474464)
Motiejūnas*
And he is great. Craptors would be contenders with him, Barg and Jose. :reporter:

I'm actually more intrigued by the other prospect out of Lithuania. Valancuinas or whatever his name is.

rapsmannn 12-08-2010 04:18 AM

bigs aren't the issue with this team, we need a PG/SG/SF allstar level type player

don't where we'll get that, through trade, free agency or draft but it has to be done otherwise we can go blame bargs as much as we want we'll never win with average and below average players on the perimeter

eazy187 12-08-2010 04:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metallikid (Post 474453)
The treadmill is a fallacy; so few draft choices end up being franchise quality players and there's no guarantee that a #1 pick will get you a franchise player - we already have an example of that on our roster.

Overachieve, play the young guys a tonne, let them learn some BBIQ and develop into a decent core of talent for years to come. Make the 8th seed and prove the doubters wrong, then lose in 6 games and get a taste of the playoffs so you're hungrier for the next year.

I'd rather have the top pick and the option of keeping, or trading, it away. Rather then being swept by the Celtics and not getting a lottery pick or finishing 9th and not getting a lottery pick.

but that's just me.

Windex 12-08-2010 04:31 AM

BPA

LX 12-08-2010 06:53 AM

They'll develop BBIQ, but come springtime, it'll be all about the BBQI.

LX 12-08-2010 08:06 AM

A lot really depends on where this team develops. They have one thing going for them right now - the running game. And running has often cost them defensively at some point. Last season it hurt them more than helped them overall, as they just lost their legs in second halves. This season marks progress in terms of being more of a legitimate running team. But I'd say they've reached a ceiling as far as that part of their game is concerned.

A lot was made of this team stressing ball movement. It ain't happening folks. This is a team with very little of any kind of half-court attack, and unfortunately the one-pass and done idea is a little contagious. As much as we've heard about the struggle of the wing guys, a lot of that has to do with an overall lackluster halfcourt attack. If this team ever gets to the point where they actually do move the ball well, then we'll see the same kids we are bitching about now, looking not so bad at least. But I don't think that happens all that much this season. It's the kind of thing that takes time, and the guys that have the ball in their hands the most, just aren't much as passers. When Jose is playing out of his mind, it changes that a bit, but otherwise, they have the running thing going for them.

The other area with some promise is defense. We've seen flashes of some improvement. It's only really been flashes though. It's still a bad defensive team. But there are some good, and some improving, defensive players here. Can those guys be put together properly to make this a passable team on that end? Or will the bad defenders continue to negate the play of the good defenders? And will the mindset of the franchise in general stress the need to get really good on that end of the court? I'd love to see that sort of thing develop by the end of the season. To me - that is the NBA Finals moment for this particular collection of players. Please find a solid defensive identity, and change the thinking enough to make it necessary to ship some players out in order to build upon that properly.

carp 12-08-2010 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LX (Post 474496)
A lot really depends on where this team develops. They have one thing going for them right now - the running game. And running has often cost them defensively at some point. Last season it hurt them more than helped them overall, as they just lost their legs in second halves. This season marks progress in terms of being more of a legitimate running team. But I'd say they've reached a ceiling as far as that part of their game is concerned.

A lot was made of this team stressing ball movement. It ain't happening folks. This is a team with very little of any kind of half-court attack, and unfortunately the one-pass and done idea is a little contagious. As much as we've heard about the struggle of the wing guys, a lot of that has to do with an overall lackluster halfcourt attack. If this team ever gets to the point where they actually do move the ball well, then we'll see the same kids we are bitching about now, looking not so bad at least. But I don't think that happens all that much this season. It's the kind of thing that takes time, and the guys that have the ball in their hands the most, just aren't much as passers. When Jose is playing out of his mind, it changes that a bit, but otherwise, they have the running thing going for them.

The other area with some promise is defense. We've seen flashes of some improvement. It's only really been flashes though. It's still a bad defensive team. But there are some good, and some improving, defensive players here. Can those guys be put together properly to make this a passable team on that end? Or will the bad defenders continue to negate the play of the good defenders? And will the mindset of the franchise in general stress the need to get really good on that end of the court? I'd love to see that sort of thing develop by the end of the season. To me - that is the NBA Finals moment for this particular collection of players. Please find a solid defensive identity, and change the thinking enough to make it necessary to ship some players out in order to build upon that properly.

I agree with LX.... this team has too many wing players that don't endorse the ball movement philosophy, don't promote a focused attitude on defensive accountability, and refuse to get back on every play when other teams run against us. There are signs that it can happen, but largely it doesn't happen.

TORaptor4Ever 12-08-2010 09:53 AM

I think that the team is simply lacking veteran leadership on the floor right now.

When Reggie was in the lineup his energy was contagious.... he FORCED guys to try on defense and promoted ball movement on offense.

Without him we've been getting back into our bad habits. :sigh:


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