Sources: Turkoglu longs for return to Kings
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Already public with his desire to be traded, disgruntled Toronto Raptors forward Hedo Turkoglu has privately expressed to league friends a desire to return to the Sacramento Kings, sources told Yahoo! Sports.
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League executives believe Sacramento would need Toronto to minimally take forward Andres Nocioni and the two years, $13.5 million left on his contract.
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At least its a shorter contract and Nocioni plays with heart..
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Nocioni and Garcia. Done.
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noc straight up would be fine with me. ball for balls.
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Nocioni and Garcia. Done.
I wouldn't even bat an eyelid.
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I wouldn't even bat an eyelid.
you just did, don't lie
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noc straight up would be fine with me. ball for balls.
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My sources tell me that Sacramento has good washing machines. Get er done BC
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While I still believe Hedo to be a good player I have always liked the way Nocioni plays and a deal invovling these two guys would be a good one IMO.
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Hedo in the right system with the right coaches works.

Right now, I don't even think his teammates are too fond of him.

Noc has an albatross of a contract and offensively isn't the player he was with the Bulls but I like his grit. Garcia would be the more attractive player as I see him as a Matt Barnes type of player.
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A pick swap would make the trade a little more fair imo.

Noccioni and the 5th for Hedo and the 13th.

Toronto can in turn use the 5th to try to move up more or jsut stick with it and take either Cousins or Johnson-Whoever is available.
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Great scoop...I heard this one talked about few weeks back...looks like it's heating up...as is Tayshaun prince...

Proposed deal:

Tayshaun Prince
Detoit first round pick(7th pick)2010

for

Hedo Turkoglu
Sunny Weems
and Raptors first round pick(13th pick)2010

Raptors don't want 2 exchange first round picks..bc they think they would be paying more money for same kinda of talent...

Sacramento

A.Nocioni
Jason Thompson
1st Round Picks(5th pick)2010

for

Hedo Turkoglu
Sunny Weems
1st Round Pick(13th pick)2010

Problem is...Sacramento would do this deal..if they take F.garcia contract for marcus banks.
Garcia has 3 more years left 17million,plus team option,while banks is in his last year.
Raptors are not interested in F.Garcia,raptors don't want his contract..
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Great scoop...I heard this one talked about few weeks back...looks like it's heating up...as is Tayshaun prince...

Proposed deal:

Tayshaun Prince
Detoit first round pick(7th pick)2010

for

Hedo Turkoglu
Sunny Weems
and Raptors first round pick(13th pick)2010

Raptors don't want 2 exchange first round picks..bc they think they would be paying more money for same kinda of talent...

Sacramento

A.Nocioni
Jason Thompson
1st Round Picks(5th pick)2010

for

Hedo Turkoglu
Sunny Weems
1st Round Pick(13th pick)2010

Problem is...Sacramento would do this deal..if they take F.garcia contract for marcus banks.
Garcia has 3 more years left 17million,plus team option,while banks is in his last year.
Raptors are not interested in F.Garcia,raptors don't want his contract..
First trade was Hedo and #13 for Prince and a 2nd rounder, not number 7. Prince and the number 7 is too much for Hedo and the 13. Prince is the better player on a better deal, no need for Detroit to add the 7th. I would be exstatic with that deal, but it isnt likely.


The second one doesnt need to involve sonny or Thompson.
Hedo and the 13th for Noccioni and the 5th
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A pick swap would make the trade a little more fair imo.

Noccioni and the 5th for Hedo and the 13th.

Toronto can in turn use the 5th to try to move up more or jsut stick with it and take either Cousins or Johnson-Whoever is available.
Why would the Kings offer up the 5th though?
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Why would the Kings offer up the 5th though?
Because like it or not, hedo is a better player than Noccioni. Hedo give them a playmaking starting sf and noccioni is at best a backup.

Dropping from 5th to 13th still allows them to draft a player they could really use(Johnson and Aminu would be burried on bech behind Evans, Garcia, Hedo, Caspi, Landry, thompson etc) and drafting a big at 5 not named COusins or Favor(both will be gone before 5) is a stretch.

The difference between the 2 picks also makes up for the difference in talent between Noccioni and Hedo
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Because like it or not, hedo is a better player than Noccioni. Hedo give them a playmaking starting sf and noccioni is at best a backup.

Dropping from 5th to 13th still allows them to draft a player they could really use(Johnson and Aminu would be burried on bech behind Evans, Garcia, Hedo, Caspi, Landry, thompson etc) and drafting a big at 5 not named COusins or Favor(both will be gone before 5) is a stretch.

The difference between the 2 picks also makes up for the difference in talent between Noccioni and Hedo
The fact that we'd get Nocioni for Hedo, that's good enough. We'd only have to pay 2 years of Noc's contract as opposed to 4 years of Hedo. Asking/insisting that the Kings trade the #5 for #13 would kill the deal.
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Because like it or not, hedo is a better player than Noccioni. Hedo give them a playmaking starting sf and noccioni is at best a backup.

Dropping from 5th to 13th still allows them to draft a player they could really use(Johnson and Aminu would be burried on bech behind Evans, Garcia, Hedo, Caspi, Landry, thompson etc) and drafting a big at 5 not named COusins or Favor(both will be gone before 5) is a stretch.

The difference between the 2 picks also makes up for the difference in talent between Noccioni and Hedo
So essentially they're doing us a favor?

Last time I looked, we're the ones that are right now over paying a guy who doesn't really want to be here and could become a massive disruption next season.

The difference in talent be damned, the fact that we're cutting ties and gaining a shorter contract makes up for the difference in talent. The difference b/w 5 and 13 is large and while Aminu and Johnson could be buried behind the bench they could use their other assets to gain a better player later in the off season.
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Nocioni in a deal for Turk works tremendously for the raps.... dude is tough as nails, and has some offensive ability too... not going to need the minutes Hedo does, so he's a perfect big off the bench. Clearly Sac wants to move him, and have for a while, but Hedo's 4 years would probably motivate them to ask for more.... or for us to take something else...

turk and the 13th for noc and the 5th only puts it more in our favour....
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And what do we do with the 5th pick? Wall is not reachable, Turner and Favors will be gone - and do you guys really think we could use Cousins? To me, at this point and, admittedly, based more on what I've read than what I've seen, the draft becomes a serious crap shoot beyond the first three picks - and the higher pick gets more guaranteed money.
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The fact that we'd get Nocioni for Hedo, that's good enough. We'd only have to pay 2 years of Noc's contract as opposed to 4 years of Hedo. Asking/insisting that the Kings trade the #5 for #13 would kill the deal.
no it wouldnt. It wouldnt at all. not even close.

And it all depends on if Sacramento actually does want him. And 2 years less on a salary is not enough of a difference maker to even out talent levels between Noccioni and Hedo.

If it was needed I would send something else as well, but in terms of value for value for Hedo, without a pickswap there are better things available than Noccioni straight up(ie: Prince)
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And what do we do with the 5th pick? Wall is not reachable, Turner and Favors will be gone - and do you guys really think we could use Cousins? To me, at this point and, admittedly, based more on what I've read than what I've seen, the draft becomes a serious crap shoot beyond the first three picks - and the higher pick gets more guaranteed money.
Me it would be all about Johnson or Aminu to be sf of the future(probably Johnson) Between either and Derozan in about 3 years would be a pretty solid wing combo.
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