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Old 01-29-2012, 12:32 AM   #21 (permalink)
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A ton of his assists come from being the last person to pass to Bargnani. If you watch his game he has good court vision but it's not because there's anything overly special happening.
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Old 01-29-2012, 12:33 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I think that the Knicks & Lakers were great suggestions TBH. Both are need of solid PG play and would benefit from a true pass-first PG.
The Lakers are especially interesting, but we'd need to take back salary - their TPE is not big enough to absorb Jose. As such, we'd need to take back 7.83M - remember, the Lakers are a tax-paying team, and are more restricted in trades. So Ebanks, Metta World Peace and Caracter would do it. The nice thing is they have both their own draft pick this year and Dallas' this year as well (top 20 protected though it is).

I still wouldn't do it. Would be more interested if they wanted Barbosa - wouldn't have to take back any salary.
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The Lakers are especially interesting, but we'd need to take back salary - their TPE is not big enough to absorb Jose. As such, we'd need to take back 7.83M - remember, the Lakers are a tax-paying team, and are more restricted in trades. So Ebanks, Metta World Peace and Caracter would do it. The nice thing is they have both their own draft pick this year and Dallas' this year as well (top 20 protected though it is).

I still wouldn't do it. Would be more interested if they wanted Barbosa - wouldn't have to take back any salary.
They'd probably stick us with Walton instead of Artest...err, World Peace.
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Old 01-29-2012, 12:48 AM   #24 (permalink)
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A ton of his assists come from being the last person to pass to Bargnani. If you watch his game he has good court vision but it's not because there's anything overly special happening.
I don't even.....

You could say that about any PG in the league lol.



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The Lakers are especially interesting, but we'd need to take back salary - their TPE is not big enough to absorb Jose. As such, we'd need to take back 7.83M - remember, the Lakers are a tax-paying team, and are more restricted in trades. So Ebanks, Metta World Peace and Caracter would do it. The nice thing is they have both their own draft pick this year and Dallas' this year as well (top 20 protected though it is).

I still wouldn't do it. Would be more interested if they wanted Barbosa - wouldn't have to take back any salary.
That would be ideal.
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Old 01-29-2012, 01:58 AM   #25 (permalink)
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A ton of his assists come from being the last person to pass to Bargnani. If you watch his game he has good court vision but it's not because there's anything overly special happening.
Who else is he going to pass it to? Our team just sucks and the fact that he managed to keep his assist average up while Bargs was out is impressive.
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Old 01-29-2012, 02:40 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I'm not saying he isn't a good PG but I'm saying he's not a great one. I'm saying that he isn't particularly creative on the court.
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Old 01-29-2012, 04:45 AM   #27 (permalink)
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I wonder who we could get for Calderon hmmm another PG or SF possibly?
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Old 01-29-2012, 04:45 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Ship Calderon to Dallas for Beaubois and a 2nd rounder Kidd's retiring next year and they're gonna need a PG
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Old 01-29-2012, 04:52 AM   #29 (permalink)
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lakers and memphis come into mind, lakers as a starter and memphis as a back up coming off hte bench where we all know jose is truly at his best

caldy,2nd rounder, ed davis for mayo?
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We need a real PG, not a fake one. Calderon is quite able to make order in our chaos, so if we trade him, it must be a reasonable bargain because we can't lose a big opportunity to get a valuable player.
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Old 01-29-2012, 08:08 AM   #31 (permalink)
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it's not that caldy isn't good enough.(even if think so... but i give that he learn some defense this season)

But in my mind, he isn't quick enough, he don't run the show, he slow the show.

an idea :
calderon + davis + 1st tor 2013
for
biedrins + S. Curry.


GSW gets a young big and a change in the backcourt with caldy/ellis. no more rivalry.

we gets a prime passer and great shooter with curry, and a bih center to backup JV for years to come.

Curry/Bayless/2nd 2012
DD/barbo
JJ/kleiza/1st 2012
Bargs/amir
JV/biedrins


i really think we are one player away from being a solid team in the east.a solid dynamic pg.
i vote for jennings or curry. that will change our team for a long time.
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Old 01-29-2012, 10:01 AM   #32 (permalink)
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This is a very sensitive area in my books. I have watched our team play right from day 1. We will never win anything if players never want to stay in Torinto. Calderon really wants to stay in Toronto so why would you want to trade him ? Caldy is a differant breed hes all team its not about him. We keep loosing our best players now we have a guy that wants to stay and we might be trading him. If Caldy actually wants out then let him go hes put his time here. Not..... let him feel that hes part of the movement and guys will see dedication to the organization...he would stay play hard and continue to shine.
Trying to land a top pick wont do much more for us ...it would give the drafted player a chance to play right away and let him develop only to see him leave. There is no mind set here to win and spend and get top players.

All we talk about is the team defence and offence.....this organization has to get players that want to stay here and the organization has to spend and get those right players. If the mind set regarding getting players to stay does not change all we will ever have here is d league organization breaking in the new players only to see them leave.
Winning will make players stay, not players that like Toronto.
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Winning will make players stay, not players that like Toronto.
Winning is just part of it. Calderon had the chance to leave when he resigned for us . He could have went to a new team and got more money he didn't..... how many players in his shoes would have done that ????

Get rid of players that won't help you....like Bayliss, Carter,Forbes, for example.

We have 2 legit starters on our team.

Its Calderon and Bargs. So you keep them and build from there. These are the only 2 guys that would start on another NBA team.If Nash and Kiddd continued to play and be effective in their 30's so will Calderon. The only diff though is that those players are surrounded with better players then Caldy. We will be able to keep Caldy here a lot longer and cheaper then those guys.

So we have 2 good pieces we will get a good draft or 2 next year... we will have some cash to add also so you add. You dont trade a good piece for another good piece in the same position.

Winning should help keeping some players however only if you do it the right way !
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Old 01-29-2012, 12:37 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Those knicks need a PG so badly... They ain't making playoffs if they don't get a PG! They are probably waiting for Nash-ty??
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I think now's a good time to move Calderon. He's not going to get better than what he is showing right now. Plus, he's performing up to his potential- able to rack up an efficient double-double game- without the injuries. If we are going to get the most value for him, it would be now.

And I'm with Claudius, we don't need a returning point guard. At this point of the season, it is evident that we are not competing this season. We might as well get a better option at point guard during the off season with a go at free agency. In addition, it doesn't make sense for a team to give up a point guard to get Calderon; any takers for Jose would probably look for help at the PG position.
Bingo! Sell high, i've been saying this for weeks. And if no deal is there, amnesty him in the summer which imo would kind of be a sad way to end the relationship since he's very loyal. But really it would free him to sign with a better team, and gives us almost 20Mil in capspace which let's face it we'll need if we want to upgrade the roster significantly.
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Raptors: George Hill
Indiana: Jason Terry
Dallas: Jose Calderon

That's my contribution
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Raptors: George Hill
Indiana: Jason Terry
Dallas: Jose Calderon

That's my contribution
I think Dallas wants D-Will. They won't waste their time with Jose.
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I think Dallas wants D-Will. They won't waste their time with Jose.
Kidd is done after this year and they need a backup (only 1 year left on Calderon's contract) should be easy to move if they want him gone to a team like NYK, Nets, Lakers...

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I think that the Knicks & Lakers were great suggestions TBH. Both are need of solid PG play and would benefit from a true pass-first PG.
Knicks maybe (they need a guy who can create from the PG rather than set up the offence, hence why Nash would be a terrific fit there).

The Lakers need a guy who can defend from the 1 rather than a straight distributor as Kobe handles the ball way too much for Calderon to really be effective. I can only think of Jose as a key back up piece and maybe a team like Portland (?) could use him to back up Felton or vice versa.
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Raptors: George Hill
Indiana: Jason Terry
Dallas: Jose Calderon

That's my contribution
Oddly enough I thought of that same exact trade. lol

Dallas seems like a good fit.
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