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Old 06-09-2011, 09:52 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I like Mo Cheeks.

Good dude, has the respect of players throughout the league and knows how to win.

I remember when that girl screwed up the national anthem before the game, he jumped right in and helped her finish it. Class act.
I just searched up that video on youtube, that was awesome.
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i wasn't thinking of him at all. he'd be a good choice - respected, experienced as a head coach, experienced as a player in big games... i'm starting to like this short list more and more.
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Appears to be an alright candidate. He has a better record than Frank Lawrence.

I don't know a lot about him as a coach. Is he good at demanding defence/effort?
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Appears to be an alright candidate. He has a better record than Frank Lawrence.

I don't know a lot about him as a coach. Is he good at demanding defence/effort?
That's my question. Is Cheeks known for defense?
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Appears to be an alright candidate. He has a better record than Frank Lawrence.

I don't know a lot about him as a coach. Is he good at demanding defence/effort?
I don't know if any of these guys are. Casey might be right now, but as an assistant. The other two could have it in them, but haven't shown that ability clearly in the past.
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Cheeks was a top-notch defensive player. Is he a good defensive coach?

Here are his defensive ratings (courtesy of basketball-reference.com):

2001-2002 Portland - 13th
2002-2003 Portland - 13th
2003-2004 Portland - 22nd
2004-2005 Portland - 21st
2005-2006 Philadelphia - 25th
2006-2007 Philadelphia - 17th
2007-2008 Philadelphia - 8th
2008-2009 Philadelphia - 14th

I think Cheeks can be a good head coach, but is he what the team needs the most?
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Cheeks was a top-notch defensive player. Is he a good defensive coach?

Here are his defensive ratings (courtesy of basketball-reference.com):

2001-2002 Portland - 13th
2002-2003 Portland - 13th
2003-2004 Portland - 22nd
2004-2005 Portland - 21st
2005-2006 Philadelphia - 25th
2006-2007 Philadelphia - 17th
2007-2008 Philadelphia - 8th
2008-2009 Philadelphia - 14th

I think Cheeks can be a good head coach, but is he what the team needs the most?

Yikes! On the surface that's not a good sign.
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Old 06-09-2011, 11:13 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Interesting. Was it Cheeks or a different assistant coach that said they were taking a hard look at Bayless in the draft Westbrook was in and absolutely loved him?
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Old 06-10-2011, 01:30 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Cheeks was a top-notch defensive player. Is he a good defensive coach?

Here are his defensive ratings (courtesy of basketball-reference.com):

2001-2002 Portland - 13th
2002-2003 Portland - 13th
2003-2004 Portland - 22nd
2004-2005 Portland - 21st
2005-2006 Philadelphia - 25th
2006-2007 Philadelphia - 17th
2007-2008 Philadelphia - 8th
2008-2009 Philadelphia - 14th

I think Cheeks can be a good head coach, but is he what the team needs the most?
I'm not convinced any of the candidates rumoured to be in the running are the best, or close to the best fit for the Raps, but, in my opinion, Cheeks is as good a candidate as Casey and Frank.

In regards to the Raptors current situation, the season that means a lot to me out of the ones you listed is 2007-2008 when the 76ers had a defensive rating of 8th in the league.

Here is the age of the starters on that 76ers team that Cheeks coached:

31 y/o - 82 starts
27 y/o -61 starts
26 y/o - 82 starts
26 y/o - 74 starts
24 y/o - 82 starts
23 y/o - 6 starts
21 y/o - 1 start
19 y/o - 22 starts

He succeeded with a young starting lineup. They played hard. Played D. Got to the playoffs.

Now some other observations about Cheeks' history.

1 - The Blazers teams won a lot of games during his first 2 years. Yes, the defensive rating was middle of the pack, but you need to consider the personnel. He had a number of offensively skilled players. His teams had a great offensive rating. You adjust your coaching to what you have. If your strength is offense, then you will have a more offensive oriented team. Middle of the pack defense is alright if you're winning 50 games. Not every team can be top 10.

2 - Rasheed Wallace was traded when Portland's defensive rating started to go down. That's only one of the changes on the roster but a fairly significant one, since he was the defensive anchor for Portland, and their best post defender at the time.

3 - When Cheeks took over in Philly, he inherited a veteran team with some aging players. But his teams showed improvement as they went younger, which is interesting.

4 - Cheeks did NOT coach that full season in 2008-2009, so he is not entirely responsible for the defensive rating slipping again. Furthermore, Elton Brand was brought in that season, and that move was probably a big reason why Cheeks got fired and never finished what he started in Philly. Brand was slow, was a shell of his former self, and his presence disrupted Philly's rotation. After Cheeks was fired, Brand got injured. Philly eventually started to play better under their new coach and made the playoffs again. But they didn't start playing well right after Cheeks was replaced. They started playing well once Brand got hurt and they reverted back to the style of play and lineups that Cheeks had used a season before. So, in my opinion, there is good reason to believe that Brand fucked up the progress Cheeks was making with the young roster. If Brand had not been signed, I think Cheeks would have lasted longer in Philly.

5 - In comparison to the other coaches mentioned, namely Lawrence Frank, I don't consider Cheeks stats bad at all.

Let's look at Frank's decline. Again, personnel matters. How should we judge Frank? Is he a genius for taking over a great defensive team that Byron Scott coached? Or is he a dumbass for being on watch under such a decline? Frank benefited from certain personnel. He did not do so well as his teams got younger.

The year before Frank was hired, The Nets had the best defensive rating in the league. When Frank took over, they started to slip.

2002-2003 (under Byron Scott) - - 1st
2003-2004 (both Scott and Frank) - 4th
2004-2005 - 7th
2005-2006 - 4th
2006-2007 - 15th
2007-2008 - 21st
2008-2009 -24th
2009-2010 (first 16 games) -25th

Now, in Casey's full season with the T-Wolves, they finished 10th in defensive rating. However, there were a number of vets playing big minutes. Also, they were god aweful on offense, despite having KG.

In this context, Cheek's stats don't look so bad. Like I said, there are other coaches I'd rather have, but out of the ones mentioned to be in the mix so far, I think he's as good, or better, of an option.
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frank is my pick, but i can't help realize a nba final going on, Raptors patiently waiting it to end to hire there coach

so obviously that means casey as the future raptor head coach
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Old 06-10-2011, 04:56 AM   #32 (permalink)
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frank is my pick, but i can't help realize a nba final going on, Raptors patiently waiting it to end to hire there coach

so obviously that means casey as the future raptor head coach
Not really, they just want to at least interview him...
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Old 06-10-2011, 06:48 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Cheeks doesn't have enough credentials to coach here.
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In Philly, he did lose a fair amount. But he also had a tough situation personality wise. After Iverson was traded for Andre Miller, he got Philly into the playoffs. Iggy played the best ball of his career with Cheeks as his coach. Dalembert also emerged while coached by Cheeks. I like what he did with Philly's younger players after Iverson and Webber were out of the picture.

If I could pick anybody, he'd definitely not be high on my list. However, out of the coaches named so far in the rumours, I think he's as good - if not better - an option than the others.
From what I recall their was a lot of controversy with younger Phili players not responding to Cheeks, notably Iguodala. Some responded, some rebelled with Cheeks as coach.

That being said I also recall that Phili team being quite immature, again, notably Iguodala. We have a lot of character on our Raps team, I would like to see how Cheeks does.
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Yeah - Frank had a mature team and constantly had to throw himself under the bus for them. Of course he had Vince to deal with so he could get different results as well, but Cheeks seems like a better fit with a young team.
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i'm not convince with frank, so casey or cheeks can be better here.
especially if triano stays as an assitant coach.
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i'm not convince with frank, so casey or cheeks can be better here.
especially if triano stays as an assitant coach.
Good lord I hope he's not an assistant.
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he makes a great assistant, but its going to be awkward going from head coach to assistant of same team. Never happened before right?
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he makes a great assistant, but its going to be awkward going from head coach to assistant of same team. Never happened before right?
It has I believe. For me it's just that he was an assistant here for years prior to becoming our HC and that's enough for me. I just think that it's time to turn the page and this is a chance to have fresh eyes and hopefully fresh ideas behind the bench with whoever we hire as a HC and the staff he chooses.
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Class act, good guy, nice guy, great player and a winner. We could do much worse.
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