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Old 06-16-2013, 08:46 PM   #21 (permalink)
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yes but we wouldn't have val. I'd rather have val than drummond 10 times outta 10, at this point anyways
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Old 06-16-2013, 08:48 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Unless Colangelo drafts Tyler Zeller with the no.8 pick.
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Old 06-16-2013, 09:38 PM   #23 (permalink)
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yes but we wouldn't have val. I'd rather have val than drummond 10 times outta 10, at this point anyways
Agreed, and there is literally no benefit to doing this trade. We never would've gotten Rudy or Kyle, plus we'd be stuck with Ben Gordon's horrible contract. Say what you'd like, but Rudy's contract is a great compared to his.
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Old 06-16-2013, 11:57 PM   #24 (permalink)
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yes but we wouldn't have val. I'd rather have val than drummond 10 times outta 10, at this point anyways
you would?

Can't see why, as good as Val looks, Drummond had a better rookie season and is undeniably much superior in physical abilities. Personally, I'd switch them without hesitation now, even though the original concerns about his attitude towards the game won't go away for at least 2-3 seasons of showing improvement and passion. Still, right now Drummond looks like the real thing.

going back to the original trade idea, I can't think of any trade BC did, here or in Phoenix where he was fleeced the way this trade implies. You can hate him for his free agency signings and generous extensions, but his trades have been pretty good.
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Old 06-17-2013, 12:10 AM   #25 (permalink)
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you would?

Can't see why, as good as Val looks, Drummond had a better rookie season and is undeniably much superior in physical abilities. Personally, I'd switch them without hesitation now, even though the original concerns about his attitude towards the game won't go away for at least 2-3 seasons of showing improvement and passion. Still, right now Drummond looks like the real thing.

going back to the original trade idea, I can't think of any trade BC did, here or in Phoenix where he was fleeced the way this trade implies. You can hate him for his free agency signings and generous extensions, but his trades have been pretty good.
Val can actually score off plays that aren't ally oops, and he can hit FT's. Smarter player with much more upside. His game will translate with age, unlike Drummonds.
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Old 06-17-2013, 12:28 AM   #26 (permalink)
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So happy with Jonas probably bc best pick
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Old 06-17-2013, 12:32 AM   #27 (permalink)
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So happy with Jonas probably bc best pick
for now i'm torn between val and DD and ED. remember DD was ninth, ed was 13th, and jonas was 4th. to find a gem like DD or ED late in the lottery is tough to do.
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Old 06-17-2013, 12:38 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Val can actually score off plays that aren't ally oops, and he can hit FT's. Smarter player with much more upside. His game will translate with age, unlike Drummonds.
Drummond could end up being one of the best defensive/rebounding players in the past 25 years with his skillset. Plus, for all the slack he gets offensively, he's actually a very skilled player with soft hands and good footwork. Just because most of his points come off of dunks(which isn't a bad thing) right now, he's only 19, why cant he improve offensively? He has nice touch around the basket already with half hooks, who's to say he doesnt work extremely hard on his jumpshot and post game this offseason to become one of the best bigmen in the NBA?

I love JVs game as much as anyone, but Drummond has the higher ceiling. Whether he reaches it or not is up to him.
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Old 06-17-2013, 01:02 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Drummond could end up being one of the best defensive/rebounding players in the past 25 years with his skillset. Plus, for all the slack he gets offensively, he's actually a very skilled player with soft hands and good footwork. Just because most of his points come off of dunks(which isn't a bad thing) right now, he's only 19, why cant he improve offensively? He has nice touch around the basket already with half hooks, who's to say he doesnt work extremely hard on his jumpshot and post game this offseason to become one of the best bigmen in the NBA?

I love JVs game as much as anyone, but Drummond has the higher ceiling. Whether he reaches it or not is up to him.
I honestly dont see Drummond ever going beyond 50% at the line, Drummond is good, but does he have that work ethic that JV has?
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Old 06-17-2013, 03:24 AM   #30 (permalink)
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watching all of the games in the playoffs one thing that is for sure besides indiania that small ball is king

having Jonas as our big is great, he is agile can defend and has offensive skill, obviously he has to improve shit load but it makes a ton of sense for the Raptors to go small


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Old 06-17-2013, 04:47 AM   #31 (permalink)
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watching all of the games in the playoffs one thing that is for sure besides indiania that small ball is king

having Jonas as our big is great, he is agile can defend and has offensive skill, obviously he has to improve shit load but it makes a ton of sense for the Raptors to go small


lowry
derozan
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Rather do:

Lowry
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Gay
Val/Amir


A lot of ball hogs though, that's the only time Fields can be useful when he's off the ball.
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Old 06-17-2013, 04:55 AM   #32 (permalink)
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that was partly the reason why i had fields start over ross, masks fields offense because you got lowry,derozan,val and gay who are all threats, i would rather switch fields on to bigs instead of gay protect gays health

terrence ross and amir are energy guys off the bench
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Old 06-17-2013, 02:03 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I honestly dont see Drummond ever going beyond 50% at the line, Drummond is good, but does he have that work ethic that JV has?
I really, really don't get the obsession people have with FT%. If both shoot 6 per game, the difference between 50% and 80% is 1.8 points. The defensive impact of a guy like drummond could be worth way more than that, even over a pretty good player like JV. Remember Howard when he was good? He would block 3 shots a game and change 15 others, not to mention the intimidation factor he would provide on D.

And I have to say, I was very surprise with AD's offensive game, much more advanced that advertised, he still has a good chance to be a good offensive player down the road.
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Val can actually score off plays that aren't ally oops, and he can hit FT's. Smarter player with much more upside. His game will translate with age, unlike Drummonds.
I think Howard's game translated pretty well with age, and I actually think Drummond could be better than Howard one day.
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you would?

Can't see why, as good as Val looks, Drummond had a better rookie season and is undeniably much superior in physical abilities. Personally, I'd switch them without hesitation now, even though the original concerns about his attitude towards the game won't go away for at least 2-3 seasons of showing improvement and passion. Still, right now Drummond looks like the real thing.

going back to the original trade idea, I can't think of any trade BC did, here or in Phoenix where he was fleeced the way this trade implies. You can hate him for his free agency signings and generous extensions, but his trades have been pretty good.
Jason Kidd for Stephon Marbury.

Marco Belinelli for Julien Wright.

1st round pick for James Johnson, James Johnson for Sacramento's 2nd rounder, Sacramento's 2nd rounder for Sebastian Telfair

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I think Howard's game translated pretty well with age, and I actually think Drummond could be better than Howard one day.
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Old 06-17-2013, 04:48 PM   #37 (permalink)
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we would've had both ben gordon and brandon knight? WOW, we would've been complete crap
i would've potentially stopped caring about this team if that had happened
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Old 06-17-2013, 06:19 PM   #38 (permalink)
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I bet people would be overjoyed if we pulled off that trade at the time. Many people on the board wanted Brandon Knight at #5.
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Old 06-17-2013, 06:40 PM   #39 (permalink)
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I bet people would be overjoyed if we pulled off that trade at the time. Many people on the board wanted Brandon Knight at #5.
If it's Gordon+8 for Calderon+5, then it's better to just draft Knight at 5 than take that deal...

Tbh, I suspect it might be misreported a little.
I'd be stunned if an NBA GM thought that Gordon had more value than Calderon last year.

Maybe there's a Pistons future pick involved? They did give away their future 1st round pick to get rid of Gordon last summer...

Gordon+8+Pistons future 1st for Calderon+5
That would make more sense.
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I really, really don't get the obsession people have with FT%. If both shoot 6 per game, the difference between 50% and 80% is 1.8 points. The defensive impact of a guy like drummond could be worth way more than that, even over a pretty good player like JV. Remember Howard when he was good? He would block 3 shots a game and change 15 others, not to mention the intimidation factor he would provide on D.

And I have to say, I was very surprise with AD's offensive game, much more advanced that advertised, he still has a good chance to be a good offensive player down the road.
He can't shoot .. period. FT or from beyond 5 feet. He can't shoot JV's pretty consistent hook shot for one. He's going to be good but you kind of have him on a pedestal.
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