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jeffb 06-20-2012 05:51 PM

Which source do you trust more?
 
:haha:

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Steve Kyler: The belief on Dion Waiters is that its Toronto that wants him badly... and that denials or not... he's the Raptors guy at #8. Twitter
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Some NBA officials believe Toronto, with the eighth overall pick, is leaning toward taking Lamb Racine Journal-Times
IMO

Waiters>>>>>Lamb

Dark Knight 06-20-2012 05:54 PM

Wouldn't mind either at this point. We are going to get a world-breaker at 8, so getting a guy who can contribute, whether off the bench or starting, would be considered a success in my eyes.

However, if I had to choose, Waiters would be my guy. Would be a great fit in that 6th man role the same way he did in Syracuse.

Bankiz 06-20-2012 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Knight (Post 655908)
However, if I had to choose, Waiters would be my guy. Would be a great fit in that 6th man role the same way he did in Syracuse.

+1
Honestly waiters as our 6th men, or rivers as our wessbrook, that will be fine with me.

'trane 06-20-2012 06:10 PM

neither. we're trading the pick.

jeffb 06-20-2012 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 'trane (Post 655915)
neither. we're trading the pick.

let's hope

Ball Don't Lie 06-20-2012 06:20 PM

The only guys I like at 8 are Beal Barnes and Liliard, and only Liliard is likely to be available. Lamb looks like a fucking burnout and Waiters looks like another Stuckey.

jeffb 06-20-2012 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by thriller92 (Post 655920)
The only guys I like at 8 are Beal Barnes and Liliard, and only Liliard is likely to be available.

Then you're SOL. They'll probably all be gone.

Ball Don't Lie 06-20-2012 07:33 PM

Yeah if we cant get one of those 3, I'd look to do Insiders amazing trade for Iggy and 15 and draft Harkless.

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! 06-20-2012 08:59 PM

Waiters - a guy who tore it up against the reserves of other college teams? There is a difference between reserves/bench players in ncaa and reserves/bench players in the nba.

Grizz 06-20-2012 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! (Post 655957)
Waiters - a guy who tore it up against the reserves of other college teams? There is a difference between reserves/bench players in ncaa and reserves/bench players in the nba.

Just like Ginobli is only good because he plays against bench players. Same with Harden! What a weak argument. The guy has flaws but saying he only played bench players because he was a 6th man isn't one that holds water.

Dark Knight 06-20-2012 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! (Post 655957)
Waiters - a guy who tore it up against the reserves of other college teams? There is a difference between reserves/bench players in ncaa and reserves/bench players in the nba.

Waiters may have been the 6th man on that team, but he was almost always on the floor late in games. He could have easily started on that team if it weren't for Jardine.

JoeyJoJo Shabbadu 06-20-2012 11:21 PM

Would definately want Lamb over Waiters.

Btw ... if he's not good enough to start for syracuse, and makes his hay against 2nd units mostly... why would we draft him this high? I have never understood this part with all this talk of waiters. Its the 8th pick ffs.

Lamb has great size and can get his own shot. This is no contest.

JoeyJoJo Shabbadu 06-20-2012 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Knight (Post 655985)
Waiters may have been the 6th man on that team, but he was almost always on the floor late in games. He could have easily started on that team if it weren't for Jardine.

Ya cause Lamb isn't money in the last minute at all...

jeffb 06-20-2012 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeyJoJo Shabbadu (Post 655990)
Would definately want Lamb over Waiters.

Btw ... if he's not good enough to start for syracuse, and makes his hay against 2nd units mostly... why would we draft him this high? I have never understood this part with all this talk of waiters. Its the 8th pick ffs.

Lamb has great size and can get his own shot. This is no contest.

Lamb is dropping like a stone and is known to disapear for stretches, reputation for being lazy....no thanks.

Dark Knight 06-20-2012 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeyJoJo Shabbadu (Post 655990)
Would definately want Lamb over Waiters.

Btw ... if he's not good enough to start for syracuse, and makes his hay against 2nd units mostly... why would we draft him this high? I have never understood this part with all this talk of waiters. Its the 8th pick ffs.

Lamb has great size and can get his own shot. This is no contest.

Just because he came off the bench doesn't mean he is less of a player than Lamb. I never understood why a guy is automatically considered a better player because he's in the starting lineup. As my coach likes to say, it's not who starts the game, it's who finishes it. Waiters is definitely a finisher.

Don Vito 06-20-2012 11:33 PM

I have a feeling Lamb will be smoking weed more than he'll be playing basketball if we draft him. :cookie:

JoeyJoJo Shabbadu 06-20-2012 11:45 PM

Did he play for the US? Just because he's a little thin now and doesn't get in the mix as much as he should doesn't mean he's lazy. Nice that you guys think he's a lazy pot head based on his looks. You are being completely ridiculous.

And not starting makes a huge difference. Waiters runs the floor well in the Orange's offense. He see's the floor far less each game that some players and has trouble with his own shot when starting or coming off the bench. And the 2 teams are not far apart like you make this sound. It's Uconn and Syracuse. It's not Duke and Buttf$%^ forest college we are comparing. And I'm and orange fan and hate Uconn fwiw. Btw..Lamb sees the floor more at ends of games and is clutch so that's hardly an argument.

And if I didn't pick Lamb there's 5 other I would probabaly pick before Waiters.

You're reaching. But it will make you look clever I guess one in a hunder times... How's that working out for you anyway?

Dark Knight 06-20-2012 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeyJoJo Shabbadu (Post 656000)
Did he play for the US? Just because he's a little thin now and doesn't get in the mix as much as he should doesn't mean he's lazy. Nice that you guys think he's a lazy pot head based on his looks. You are being completely ridiculous.

And not starting makes a huge difference. Waiters runs the floor well in the Orange's offense. He see's the floor far less each game that some players and has trouble with his own shot when starting or coming off the bench. And the 2 teams are not far apart like you make this sound. It's Uconn and Syracuse. It's not Duke and Buttf$%^ forest college we are comparing. And I'm and orange fan and hate Uconn fwiw. Btw..Lamb sees the floor more at ends of games and is clutch so that's hardly an argument.

And if I didn't pick Lamb there's 5 other I would probabaly pick before Waiters.

You're reaching. But it will make you look clever I guess one in a hunder times... How's that working out for you anyway?

Waiters sees just about the same average floor time as Scoop. It's not like he wasn't getting playing time. I hate to play the stats game, I really do, but Lamb only scored approximately 5 more points than Waiters (on average) a night than Waiters, while Waiters played nearly 13 less minutes a game than Lamb.

Now, I'm no math major, but I'm willing to bet that if you give Waiters the minutes Lamb got, he could put up the same (if not better) production as Lamb. Starter or not.

bjjs 06-20-2012 11:56 PM

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pzabby 06-21-2012 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeyJoJo Shabbadu (Post 655992)
Ya cause Lamb isn't money in the last minute at all...

his attitude is terrible, which is why most wouldn't touch him with a 10m long pole. toronto fans can stand a lack of skill, but not a lack of heart.


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