Some Thoughts on Hedo and Raptors
Old 01-11-2010, 10:05 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi guys,

I am following this site for more than a month following the transfer of Hedo to Raptors. I just want to share some opinions on both Hedo and the Raptors.

First of all please note that there are three Turkish players in NBA; Hidayet Turkoglu, Mehmet Okur (playing for Utah Jazz ) and Ersan Ilyasova (playing for Minnesota Timberwolves) Among them Hedo is the favourite for many Turkish people.

Every day generally at least two matches are on TV, sometimes even three! live. Turkish population is mainly young and so many people follow these matches. We are so proud that Hedo is one of the key players in NBA.

We follow Hedo for more than 10 years both in Turkey and in NBA and know him very well. The summary is you should try to see him like Magic Johnson in many ways; not like any other super guards like Kobe or Lebroun or similar. His style is soft and affective; he causes the team to rise and then he rises more with the team. So if everything goes bad, don't expect him too much to be a hero and save the day. But let him manage the team and see the positive effects of it.

Many of us understand very well that a big transfer amount for a long term for a player at this age caused suspicion. But as of now 30 - 35 is a good age like a wine. The general age averages of basketball players are higher now comparing to 10, even 5 years ago.

Hedo is playing basketball from a very small age in so many compative levels. Before going to NBA, he was playing in Efes Pilsen, one of the leading teams in Turkey and European basketball. He always has been a key player in the national team also. Therefore he is so much experienced in basketball in both European style and American style. He has been regarded as a PG generally, not a forward, therefore his abilities to setup a good offence is very high. And he is not a selfish player playing for his statistics and that's what makes him valuable. Just look at Orlando and see Dwight Howard; he cannot get the balls he wanted, leave away the alley hoop passes.

His statistics are not very high, as everbody knows. Generally around 15 points, 5 asists and 5 rebounds. But his effect in the team is more than the statistics. Because numbers do not show everything; in many positions you will see that he makes the right choices and finds the correct guys in so many positions. He causes mismatches. His game mind is like Larry Bird; so he doesn't have to be very athletic, quick, jumping all around etc.

You call clutch time those important times at the end of the games; Hedo is very effective on them because he has been living those moments for more than 10 years in every level of competition for dozens of matches; in clubs competition; in Europe competition, in national team matches. He's been there more than any NBA player, that's why he is always calm in those moments.

We can easily see on TV for some time that, he cannot get enough balls and passes from especially Jose Calderon. That's normal, Jose was the sole decider for Raptors up to this year and he does not want to give the control fo the game and team. He doesn't want his authority to be shaken. But if this is the way they are going to play then do not expect too much from Hedo. If you use him like a forward then Raptor's money is wasted. I hope Jose accepts a role like Jameer Nelson in Orlando last year or there will a conflict out of this.

Last thing, Hedo is always known as a good team player; loved by his coach and teammates. If he really talked to press concerning his opinions about ball sharing this really means that it's a big problem, it has already been shared with the coach and this problem has not been solved.

As for the Raptors; GO Raptors I forsee a playoff and most probably going through the second leg bu then elimination But who knows, let's wait and see. Know that you have many followers from Turkey.

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Old 01-11-2010, 10:19 AM   #2 (permalink)
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nice post. welcome to rf aegeus.
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Old 01-11-2010, 10:38 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Doesn't Ersan Ilyasova play for Bucks
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Old 01-11-2010, 10:40 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Welcome, Aegeus.

It's funny that I just read this from ESPN.

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The Orlando Magic has played 37 games, but their offense still isn't clicking. The players say they are still adjusting to Vince Carter.

"It's different. We weren't used to playing like that last year Hedo Turkoglu had the ball, Jameer Nelson had it. It was pretty balanced at the end of every game. Everybody got about the same amount of shots," Rashard Lewis tells the Orlando Sentinel. Vince is the type of player who needs the ball in his hands. He dominates the ball sometimes. That's how he became Vince Carter. ... We got to adjust to that, learn how to play with him dominating the ball. We're still adjusting to it, but he's not going anywhere. He's our teammate."
He is saying the same things you are. Hedo is more of a playmaker than a scorer.

I see Jack and Calderon excepting this and letting Hedo run things from time to time.

Keep on watching. The future of Hedo is far more promising than the present. He will win us many games.
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Old 01-11-2010, 10:45 AM   #5 (permalink)
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lol Vince and Hedo are like opposites. But yeah in that horrible game last night Hedo was at least able to get most of his assists from Bargs haha. Hedo is definitely smart in that regard in finding the right players.
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Great post . I completely agree. I only hope that this team figures things out, but it seems like they should have by now. Triano is just damn slow in making real decisions. It is looking like a trade is going to have to be made to make things work if the coach can't do it.
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Nice post there

Points out exactly that on this team biggest problem is Hedo vs Jose. Both are pass-first live dribble guys. Neither can defends his position well. Neither can change their mentality and become off-ball shooter. Having two guys like that is not only redundant, its straigh out harmful for the team.
One of them needs to go. I hope BC understands that.
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And someone has to point out that the game "closing" lineup of Jose/Jack/Turk is ridiculous.

3 passing guards. Yikes.
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Old 01-11-2010, 11:58 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Tremendous post, man...Completely agree.
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I love both Jose and Hedo. Jose is more of a traditional PG and he likes to be the commander of his team. We've been with him for some years now and we've not gotten anywhere beyond first round. I think it makes more sense to trade Jose for a SG who is a sharp shooter and see where it takes us to.
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Old 01-11-2010, 12:28 PM   #11 (permalink)
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And someone has to point out that the game "closing" lineup of Jose/Jack/Turk is ridiculous.

3 passing guards. Yikes.
Man I hope this ends soon. I personally prefer JJ and Hedo but as long as it means not having all three of them on the floor at the same time i'd settle for Jose and Hedo.
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Great first post Aegeus, welcome to RF.

I'm a Turkoglou fan, but i must say i've been dispointed at times with his game. That being said i think he'll only get better over the next 2-3 months and will pay bid dividens come playoff time.
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rould of applause for this good post i agree with everything you just said, especially about hedo elevating the team.
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Up to this point he's really only been initiating the offense come the fourth quarter and end of clock/quarter situations. That's fine, because he is the guy who's going to be most effective in those scenarios, but I'd really like to see our regular offense run through him as well.

I gotta ask though...where's the beautiful pick and roll we were promised at the beginning of the year? I was so excited to see this team run the PNR with Hedo and Bosh/Bargs but I haven't seen it anywhere near as much as I figured I would.

I'm curious what it's going to take for Hedo to be put in situations where he can be most effective, i.e. handling the ball, running the PNR. I'd like to think that Hedo's met with Jay and requested a more significant role in the offense, but will it come down to BC saying something?
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Nice post there

Points out exactly that on this team biggest problem is Hedo vs Jose. Both are pass-first live dribble guys. Neither can defends his position well. Neither can change their mentality and become off-ball shooter. Having two guys like that is not only redundant, its straigh out harmful for the team.
One of them needs to go. I hope BC understands that.
there is no need to send away one of jose or hedo..it's all about rotation..
like i said a couple of times before, one of them should be on the floor as much as possible..they shouldnt be sitting on the bench at the same time..jose or hedo may go to the bench early and come back with 2nd units..it would be more effective if hedo plays with jack and jose with weems..
besides jose&jack&hedo in the late game is a terrible idea..triano says he likes to have three ball handlers on the court but actually it hurts the team..
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The lineup with Banks and Turk is good!
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Triano is such a @#$@#$ ! Having jose+jj+Hedo on at the same time is so much fail omggg. Defensively it's horrible and Hedo will not get his touches.
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I think what's going on now in Orlando shows who's right and who's wrong after all this discussion. No need for more words.
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all it shows is that he's not capable of adjusting his game. good riddance.
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I think what's going on now in Orlando shows who's right and who's wrong after all this discussion. No need for more words.
Looks like you have an agenda. All it shows to me is Hedo is a system player.
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