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Old 07-05-2011, 05:48 PM   #61 (permalink)
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What C would have been available for so cheap? Easier said than done, considering numerous sources have been saying Colangelo has been chasing a C for two years.
Chasing a C for 2 years? If that's the case he doesn't get the job done as a GM. He waited 2 years for a C and gonna wait another 2 years to see anything positive from Jonas, which makes it 4 years for a C.... One can think he was waiting for the last piece of the puzzle to build our championship team. Give me a break.
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Knight had more value than Jonas, I don't know if it is due to the buyout or not. Most GMs thought Knight won't be available at 5th. Cavs with Thompson and the Jazz with Kanter changed the whole thing. I don't think our pick is bad, but we are not gonna have the impact we all wanted.
Sacramento wanted Knight, we could have tried and get Samuel Dalembert in a package.

if knight had more value than jv, why did he drop to 8, and why were most people expecting jv to go top 4?

isn't dalembert already a free agent?
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Knight had more value than Jonas, I don't know if it is due to the buyout or not. Most GMs thought Knight won't be available at 5th. Cavs with Thompson and the Jazz with Kanter changed the whole thing. I don't think our pick is bad, but we are not gonna have the impact we all wanted.
Sacramento wanted Knight, we could have tried and get Samuel Dalembert in a package.
if knight has more value among GMs then why did he slip to 8th? if you watched the draft then you know picks 1-3 went according to plan. all of them picking BPA. the cavs changed everything when they picked TT. many cavs fans are angry they didn't pick JV. if there's no buyout situation, JV goes top 3.
i also read somewhere that if JV had been taken 4th, BC was going to pick bismack.

LOL, and sac wanted knight? pretty evident the way they passed on him when they had the 7th pick
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Knight had more value than Jonas, I don't know if it is due to the buyout or not. Most GMs thought Knight won't be available at 5th. Cavs with Thompson and the Jazz with Kanter changed the whole thing. I don't think our pick is bad, but we are not gonna have the impact we all wanted.
Sacramento wanted Knight, we could have tried and get Samuel Dalembert in a package.
If Valanciunas turns into a top-10 Center defensively and offensively, which is where many GMs and scouts project him, then he will be a huge upgrade over Dalembert or anyone else available in a trade. As the Mavs and Celtics and Lakers have shown, a big front line with a strong Center is a strong ingredient for top-level teams.

I think Walker will be good, but I am not sure he will be as good as you think. Remember, he is a Junior, so he is two years older than many of the draftees (including Valanciunas and Knight). So he should be completely dominating NCAA competition these days when most of the good college players are "one and done". If you look back to Walker's Freshman year, he was less than 10 points per game, and wasn't highly regarded as a Sophomore. Derozan was the same year as Walker, so can you imagine how he would be dominating the NCAA now? He's good with lots of potential, but not even a top-echelon 2-guard yet. So, I think that Walker will do well in his rookie year because he is older and more mature, but younger players will likely overtake him as they develop.

Arguably, Knight will be a really good point guard, but the jury is still out, and it will almost certainly be a few years before he has a big impact on his team. Anyway, I think that if you have a chance of a top Center, or a good PG, you have to go with the Center. There will be more chances to get a good PG in the future. Neither Knight nor Walker are in the elite category.

Finally, it has been widely reported that the Spurs were looking to package Tony Parker to move into a high spot in the draft. Their reported target? Valanciunas. They are no dummies.
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if knight has more value among GMs then why did he slip to 8th? if you watched the draft then you know picks 1-3 went according to plan. all of them picking BPA. the cavs changed everything when they picked TT. many cavs fans are angry they didn't pick JV. if there's no buyout situation, JV goes top 3.
i also read somewhere that if JV had been taken 4th, BC was going to pick bismack.

LOL, and sac wanted knight? pretty evident the way they passed on him when they had the 7th pick
Yup. It seems that Sacramento preferred Jimmer to Walker, and maybe even Knight. They must have known that Kemba would be available at 7, but traded down 3 spots anyway where they wanted to take Jimmer.
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if knight has more value among GMs then why did he slip to 8th? if you watched the draft then you know picks 1-3 went according to plan. all of them picking BPA. the cavs changed everything when they picked TT. many cavs fans are angry they didn't pick JV. if there's no buyout situation, JV goes top 3.
i also read somewhere that if JV had been taken 4th, BC was going to pick bismack.

LOL, and sac wanted knight? pretty evident the way they passed on him when they had the 7th pick
They traded their pick to the Bobcats, this is why they picked Bismack Biyombo.
Pre-draft people here loved Knight, I wasn't really crazy about him, but no matter what, he had more value imho.
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They traded their pick to the Bobcats, this is why they picked Bismack Biyombo.
Pre-draft people here loved Knight, I wasn't really crazy about him, but no matter what, he had more value imho.
you go from saying knight has more value among GMs to now saying knight has more value no matter what, in your honest opinion.....well thank goodness no ones takes ur opinion seriously
people here loved knight because we needed a PG and didn't think JV would be there so no one gave it serious thought.
again....if knight had more value, why did he go 8? and after slipping so far why werent people up in arms or scouts in total SHOCK they he slipped so far? because it wasn't that surprising
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Finally, it has been widely reported that the Spurs were looking to package Tony Parker to move into a high spot in the draft. Their reported target? Valanciunas. They are no dummies.
Yeah they are no dummies, but their situation is much better than ours.
Even without Parker, assuming Hill would have been their starter as a PG, they could still make the playoff, while we need to see our crappy team improving from 22 wins to 30...
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They traded their pick to the Bobcats, this is why they picked Bismack Biyombo.
Pre-draft people here loved Knight, I wasn't really crazy about him, but no matter what, he had more value imho.
They traded their pick even though most people expected Walker to be available at 7. They obviously preferred Jimmer, but knew that they could get him a few slots lower.

Remember that a number of teams worked out Walker and Fredette together, and there were reports (out of Sacramento actually) that Fredette was more impressive. If you want to look at college performance, it is hard to argue that Walker was better than Fredette.

Don't get me wrong -- I like Walker, but I think that the Raptors would have made a bad mistake by passing on Valanciunas and his potential for Walker. But time will tell. I think we'll have a sense of their relative value by the 2012-13 season, which might just be the first time that either of them plays and NBA game.
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you go from saying knight has more value among GMs to now saying knight has more value no matter what, in your honest opinion.....well thank goodness no ones takes ur opinion seriously
people here loved knight because we needed a PG and didn't think JV would be there so no one gave it serious thought.
again....if knight had more value, why did he go 8? and after slipping so far why werent people up in arms or scouts in total SHOCK they he slipped so far? because it wasn't that surprising
gotta agree with the panda.... knight and walker both had huge questions arise during the draft process, clearly we weren't privy to all of that.
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gotta agree with the panda.... knight and walker both had huge questions arise during the draft process, clearly we weren't privy to all of that.
And u wanna tell me that Jonas is a sure bet, with zero risk?
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gotta agree with the panda.... knight and walker both had huge questions arise during the draft process, clearly we weren't privy to all of that.
hahaha, its nice to be on the same side once in a while
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Yeah they are no dummies, but their situation is much better than ours.
Even without Parker, assuming Hill would have been their starter as a PG, they could still make the playoff, while we need to see our crappy team improving from 22 wins to 30...
Which win trajectory would you prefer?

A. 20, 25, 40, 50, 55
B. 20, 35, 42, 42, 42

I prefer the slower approach with a higher ceiling. A perennial .500 team that can't go far in the playoffs can be easily achieved with short-term moves. To get into the upper echelon you need to draft and develop a few transformative players. I happen to think that Valanciunas has a chance to turn into a cornerstone. I don't think that either Walker or Knight have the same potential. I also think that a high draft pick in 2012 could seriously change the future trajectory of the Raptors. A dynamic forward or PG might be available, which would give the Raptors serious potential.
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And u wanna tell me that Jonas is a surer bet, with less risk?
I changed your question a bit. Now my answer is "yes".
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And u wanna tell me that Jonas is a sure bet, with zero risk?
No less than Knight or Walker.... you get that, right?
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Love the numbers Jonas is putting up right now - but not against NBA talent. We'll see how he does in the L next year.

If there IS a season this season, BC better hope to God Knight or Kemba aren't contenders for ROY. He'll have some 'splaining to do. Media will be on him like R. Kelly on underage ass holes.
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Love the numbers Jonas is putting up right now - but not against NBA talent. We'll see how he does in the L next year.
Both Jeremy Lamb and Patric Young are projected to go fairly high in next year's NBA Draft. Guess they aren't NBA talent.
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Love the numbers Jonas is putting up right now - but not against NBA talent. We'll see how he does in the L next year.

If there IS a season this season, BC better hope to God Knight or Kemba aren't contenders for ROY. He'll have some 'splaining to do. Media will be on him like R. Kelly on underage ass holes.
just because you are a contender or win ROY doesn't mean you will be the better player over a career
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Both Jeremy Lamb and Patric Young are projected to go fairly high in next year's NBA Draft. Guess they aren't NBA talent.
Well as they're not currently in the NBA, they are not NBA talent (yet). Neither is Jonas, technically... but as he's been drafted he has to show what he can do against NBA talent. Antoine Wright would probably drop thirty against FIBA Under 19 competition.
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just because you are a contender or win ROY doesn't mean you will be the better player over a career
Of course not. But given the angst in Toronto's sports market, he'll have the media all over him. Also, given the original subject of this thread, the players might think twice too - they want to win and win now - if Kemba is running away with ROY, will probably only enhance their disenchantment with the Val selection.
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