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Old 03-29-2009, 06:44 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I don't know where the hell this Raptors team has come from over the last 4 games but I like it. Question is... to what do we owe the big change in play?

The guys FINALLY understanding what Triano wants from them?

The addition of Pops?

The health of Bosh and Jose?

Something else?


Jeez... this is actually kind of frustrating because now it's kind of throwing everything that we though about this roster out of whack.... perhaps it shouldn't be blown up after all? Perhaps we SHOULD keep Bosh and Jose? Perhaps Triano shouldn't be canned?

I would really like to see us upgrade the 2 spot and I could live with us letting go of Marion and maybe Joey (and Kapono please God)... but everyone else? I hope they stay because I think that IF HEALTHY this team can be pretty good.
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Let go of Marion and you might miss out on the main difference maker.

Joey and Kapono can go. It would be great if something can be done with Banks.
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I think it has been the resurgance of Caldy. When he plays good our team is unstoppable. Yea I'd also like to get a good young SG and while I could live with letting Marion let go I wouldn't mind him staying here especially with his play of late
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The pace that Marion sets and demands has Jose and Bosh and Andrea making quicker decisions, and crisper, better passes. Marion also makes a much bigger difference on defense over what we've had before. He's made it possible to use Bosh and Bargnani on guards when needed, and along with Pops has added much needed energy.
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The guys FINALLY understanding what Triano wants from them?
That's not the reason for sure. FINALLY, Raptors are healthy and they played crappy teams. Also, they were suppose to play at least as good as now, probably the idea that they won't make the playoff this year released some of the pressure, therefore they play like they have nothing to lose.
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in my opinion the big difference is marion waking up for whatever reason (probably BC had something to do with that). Before that, he was sleepwalking on the court, and the worst was the charlotte game when triano had to pull him out after a few minutes. When marion is playing hard, he's a fantastic player with his defense, rebounding, running game and so on.
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and the same team lost countless games against crappy teams before ... blowing them out for a change is a big difference.
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Health is the biggest and all those variables BC spoke of at half time. Player are starting to mesh finally.
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Health is the biggest and all those variables BC spoke of at half time. Player are starting to mesh finally.
So you liking Marion yet Doc?

He's an intruiging player. I think that the better the team plays... the better HE plays... he can't create but he does a lot of little things that help you win.

I'd love to bring him back if it was for $7-8M/yr or so.... but I guess that it also depends on what else it out there to be had.
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The pace that Marion sets and demands has Jose and Bosh and Andrea making quicker decisions, and crisper, better passes. Marion also makes a much bigger difference on defense over what we've had before. He's made it possible to use Bosh and Bargnani on guards when needed, and along with Pops has added much needed energy.
Bosh and Bargs facing quicker guards on the perimeter is not a good thing.
If that is a strategy being imployed here (which it can't possibly be) then it's a horrible one. Who was on Gordon when he hit the shot to force over-time?
One of the bigs was switched over to Rose at one point and surrendered an easy lay-up as well.
Switching = bad D.
What Marion does have is the versatility and length to occasionally face up the opposing guards. He can't handle the match-up all night, but he can create a mis-match at the other end like when he was posting up Rose.
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Calderon is healthy again.
Bargnani continues to get better.
Bosh rejuvenated (go figure, it's too late).
Sub .500 opponents.
Less pressure due to position (Season's over)
Pops energy.
Iavaroni holding Triano's hand?

All of this adds up to, a 35 win season and a shitty 9-11th pick in the draft??
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The guys FINALLY understanding what Triano wants from them?


You mean blow 18pt fourth quarter leads and winning by the skin of their nads in OT? Yep they get it alright, what a genius Jay is. Thank god they're getting it....

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Bosh and Bargs facing quicker guards on the perimeter is not a good thing.
If that is a strategy being imployed here (which it can't possibly be) then it's a horrible one. Who was on Gordon when he hit the shot to force over-time?
One of the bigs was switched over to Rose at one point and surrendered an easy lay-up as well.
Switching = bad D.
What Marion does have is the versatility and length to occasionally face up the opposing guards. He can't handle the match-up all night, but he can create a mis-match at the other end like when he was posting up Rose.
The strategy was not to put Bosh on Gordon, obviously. It was a forced switch due to the screen and defender being closest to their corresponding men. If Bosh/Marion fought through the screen to stay on Thomas or Rose the split second to return would give an open look, and given our poor interior defense, that would equate to an easy layup, as what happened during overtime but thank god Rose missed.

Overall, this kind of switching is an exploit for any defense, its why we see Garnett on PG's at critical points in the games...because for good defensive teams it WILL happen. Remember this, big man switch on offensive player > teammate being stuck on screen for opposition getting a look.

It's good that our team was so aware on defense having Bosh on Gordon is better than giving Gordon a clear 1 second to shoot...

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First of all it's only 4 wins in a row and against non-playoff teams as well. That doesn't add up to a hell of a lot in my estimation. LA and OKC didn't even show up.
I mean yeah, after the horror story this season has been 4 wins is heaven and I'm finally having fun watching them again, but let's not get too carried away.
They damn near coughed this one up and if Rose hits that lay-up we're fuming about today's game.
Getting penetration from the point guards is huge. Just the threat of it opens so much space up for everyone else. Jose's health is key.
There also seems to be a better commitment to rebounding. Too bad it came a little late for a play-off push. Creating momentum and positive vibes about the team for next year is critical for many reasons.
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You mean blow 18pt fourth quarter leads and winning by the skin of their nads in OT? Yep they get it alright, what a genius Jay is. Thank god they're getting it....
Lol.. and let me guess... if Iavaroni takes over this team next season we'll beat everyone by 25 pts/gm for all 82 games right?

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Lol.. and let me guess... if Iavaroni takes over this team next season we'll beat everyone by 25 pts/gm for all 82 games right?

I was kidding about Iavaroni. Should be obvious to most?
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The strategy was not to put Bosh on Gordon, obviously. It was a forced switch due to the screen and defender being closest to their corresponding men. If Bosh/Marion fought through the screen to stay on Thomas or Rose the split second to return would give an open look, and given our poor interior defense, that would equate to an easy layup, as what happened during overtime but thank god Rose missed.

Overall, this kind of switching is an exploit for any defense, its why we see Garnett on PG's at critical points in the games... Big man switch on offensive player > teammate being stuck on screen for opposition getting a look.

It's good that our team was so aware on defense having Bosh on Gordon is better than giving Gordon a clear 1 second to shoot...
If I remember correctly Gordon had time to dribble first. It wasn't a bang bang play. Bosh with a hand in his face IS better than him being wide open, no doubt.
Better is his check staying with him and doing it himself. They've been getting burned on switches all year. Tonight was no exception.
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The biggest difference are theyre loose because theyre out of the playoff race. Theyre a bunch of pussies and now that the pressure is off them they can just play. They still suck, dont kid yourself.
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Bosh and Bargs facing quicker guards on the perimeter is not a good thing.
If that is a strategy being imployed here (which it can't possibly be) then it's a horrible one. Who was on Gordon when he hit the shot to force over-time?
One of the bigs was switched over to Rose at one point and surrendered an easy lay-up as well.
Switching = bad D.
What Marion does have is the versatility and length to occasionally face up the opposing guards. He can't handle the match-up all night, but he can create a mis-match at the other end like when he was posting up Rose.
On quicker guards it isn't the best way to go, although needing to help Jose instead might be worse. It works well with guards looking for their shots. Bosh did a nice job on Gordon. Even the tying shot was well-defended and certainly not easy. On the prior possession Bosh was very close to getting the turnover. And he did get turnovers at the end of overtime - that time helping, and got a piece of the shot before that one.

It depends on how it is done and who it is done against, but it can be very effective. Let's face it - it worked. I don't want the bigs actually on guys way out on the perimeter, but once they make their move into the mid-range area it makes what the guards want to do much harder when the switch is made, and the pass on the pick and pop is taken away, and it all is left to the opposing team getting something out of way too many isos.

In the game on ABC today, they took a look at the lowest scoring game in league history, between the Pacers and Spurs ten or twelve years ago. Mark Jackson was asked why they had such trouble scoring, and he said it was because he was being guarded by Tim Duncan.

The Raptors have been doing it quite a bit, with some success, and some not so much. A lot of it really depends on what the refs are going to call or not call. But in any case when this team does not need to help so much at the point of attack, it makes a big difference.
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I was kidding about Iavaroni. Should be obvious to most?
Meh. Irrelevant whether it's Iavaroni or Messina or any other coach.

You can continue to bash Triano all through next season. Just seeing him on the bench when we win games will be reward enough for me.
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