So what was the big change?
Old 11-28-2008, 11:07 PM   #1 (permalink)
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In light of what we saw tonight from our Raps vs. ATL I just wanted to put it out there and see why people think that our boys played so well tonight.

Now to say that I've been critical of Sam is probably the understatement of the century.... but I'm certainly willing to give him his share of the credit for this win. I liked what we did on offense AND on defense. Even the plays out of timeouts were pretty good. And the rotations were GREAT. Moon, Kaps, Joey and Hump.. all playing around 20 min. Naturally it's a bit distressing that Bosh played 44 but with JO out it's to be expected.

So what gives? Why did our guys FINALLY decide to play up to their potential? Did they just take 15 games to understand what the hell Sam's been preaching? Or was there another catalyst.

One thing's for sure... I don't think that there's any question now that we DO have some guys outiside of JO, Jose and Chris, who can play on this team. Yes, it's only one game but the potential is there without question.

I'm overjoyed too to see Joey have another good game. I was LOLing when the crowd started to chant his name. Even though he missed some shots I loved the way that he played tonight. Very confident and aggressive.
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Old 11-28-2008, 11:15 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Defense takes time. And they really seem to be buying into it as a team now that they don't have JO to fall back on. It's the team effort that is going to plug the obvious holes. And having Joey play the way he is can't be understated enough. If he can be that guy to play smart, tough defence, then that really helps.

Nice job of Sam making the offense/defense subs late in the game again.

And nice job of noticing that Sam does some things right out there ToRAPs!
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Old 11-28-2008, 11:20 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Sam is the luckiest SOB in the league but he is still not yet out of the woods. We are unable to put teams away, each win is earned the hard way, why? Do we have a young and inexperienced roster??
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Old 11-28-2008, 11:31 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Defense takes time. And they really seem to be buying into it as a team now that they don't have JO to fall back on. It's the team effort that is going to plug the obvious holes. And having Joey play the way he is can't be understated enough. If he can be that guy to play smart, tough defence, then that really helps.

Nice job of Sam making the offense/defense subs late in the game again.

And nice job of noticing that Sam does some things right out there ToRAPs!
I'll make you a deal lol.... I'll give Sam some credit for wins like this if YOU admit that he DOES have adequate players here to work with.

Deal?
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Old 11-29-2008, 10:23 AM   #5 (permalink)
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On offense they're pushing the ball upcourt much faster. Even if they don't get a quick score, they're getting into their sets sooner which allows them to be a little more patient ie: more time on the shot clock.
On defence I liked the little bit of zone we saw. I think switching up the defence now and then throws other teams off balance.
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Old 11-29-2008, 10:42 AM   #6 (permalink)
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The other team isn't as good.

Charlotte is not a good team.
Atlanta is terrible on the road.

Let's wait until they play well against good teams.
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Old 11-29-2008, 10:46 AM   #7 (permalink)
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The Raptors came into Friday’s game against the Hawks needing a win to close out a 4 game home stand at 2 – 2 after losing to the Celtics and the Nets. A victory over the Bobcats on Wednesday gave them a better frame of mind against a team that had beaten them once this season. With Jermaine O’Neal on the bench, the Raptors needed to find a way to contain the Hawks on the boards and control the perimeter after being torched by Mike Bibby and Joe Johnson. The Hawks were looking to return to the form that had gotten them off to a 6 – 0 start before losing to the Celtics. Since that loss they were 3 – 5 bringing a 9 – 5 record to Toronto and looking to turn the momentum early in the season.

Averaging 27.6 points per game coming in, Chris Bosh has been hot lately with 2 40+ point games and a 39 in the past week. He has been one of the top players in the league so far being 2nd in scoring behind LeBron James and just ahead of Dwyane Wade so far this season. After being stuck in his apartment’s elevator for about an hour, he arrived late to the game and missed the warm up. That is probably a very good thing for the Hawks as he opened a bit cold shooting but had 5 assists in the first half before he scored 20 in the second half ending up with 30 points, 9 rebounds, 6 assists and 3 blocks for a solid all around game providing yet another example of why he should be considered an elite player in this league.

One of the biggest ingredients this team has been missing thus far this season has been bench play on both offense and defense. Tonight, on a night where Andrea Bargnani and Jose Calderon struggled offensively, combining for only 11 points, Joey Graham, Jason Kapono, Kris Humphries and Will Solomon combined for 31 points and 13 rebounds. Anthony Parker not only provided 7 points and 2 steals, but he kept Joe Johnson quiet in the first half and held him to 18 points overall. Jamario Moon had perhaps his most solid start of the year adding 10 points and trying hard to contain Mike Bibby who finished with 20 points, but had 15 at the half. Our defense looked solid though at times it still gave up easy inside shots or runners in the lane, over all, most shots, even from outside the arc were contested and that was enough to turn the game around as the Raptors had to fight back from a half time deficit.

Overall, the Raptors must be pleased with the ball control they exhibited down the stretch after the Vince Carter debacle with the Nets last week. I am sure most Raptors fans held their breath as the Raptors held on with solid defense and timely offensive boards and some well executed in-bounds plays. The team showed some character coming up with huge stops when they needed them and some outstanding rebounding at both ends. After some goofy shots on about 7 possessions in a row, the guys got it back together and held off the Hawks.

Let’s hope this can build some momentum going into Sunday’s game in Los Angeles and the Lakers. With a lineup of Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum, who is not playing and is questionable for the game, and Vladimir Radmanovic and Dereck Fisher, this team is going into Friday night’s game against the Dirk Nowitzki led Mavericks with a 12 – 1 record. This game will be a challenging game as the Raptors will again have a test of their resolve. The next few games for the Raptors will be played against some of the top teams in the league. With the Jazz and the Nuggets up next, it could be a difficult week for the Raptors.
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Old 11-29-2008, 10:48 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Smitch made better adjustments and the guys like Jamario and Jason and Joey made more SHATS! a couple steals and a few blocks and some huge offensive boards will often turn a close game into a victory.
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Old 11-29-2008, 11:22 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Difference in the Atlanta game was much improved play from Joey & Kapono... good play by AP & Moon... also Bargnani was OK, at moments he looked great and was dominating but at times he was not a factor.... Bosh was very good although he got carried away couple of times and attempted needles 3 pointers... Jose is nowhere near where he should be, most likely because of the injury he is hiding.

At the moment biggest concern IMO is Jose's play... he is slow, plays very predictable, cannot hit any shots and his defense is just brutal... but still I am scared even more if he goes down... prospect of having Solomon as a starting PG and Ukic as a heavy minute backup scares the bejesus out of me.
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Old 11-29-2008, 11:49 AM   #10 (permalink)
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speaking of the next coming games... i smell a road game losing streak. raps are inconsistent. always have and if nothing changes, always will be. i hate to say that but its true. lakers? im a huge rap fan but i KNOW raps are going to win AWAY vs. Lakers...lakers are hot right now...another spanking. then nuggets, billups is tearing it up with carmelo and utah... experienced team. i just dont see the raps being CONSISTENT during this road trip. but i do wish them goodlucka nd ill support them all the way. go raps!!!
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Old 11-29-2008, 12:11 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Sam is the luckiest SOB in the league but he is still not yet out of the woods. We are unable to put teams away, each win is earned the hard way, why? Do we have a young and inexperienced roster??
Exactly, every win is down to the wire, we can get big leads in the games but we cant keep them for very long. I hate that these wins are all so close.

I noticed BC was actualy watching most of the game. He even came back near the end, i guess to see what the hell the team and mitchell where doing.
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Old 11-29-2008, 01:46 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Our perimeter D was atrocious vs. Atlanta, especially covering two guys in particular: Mike Bibby and Mo Evans.

We should have won the game by 20+ points, but instead it was another vintage 2008-09 Raptors performance - letting them back in the game and grinding out a game.

We were rolling in the first and early second quarter. Then Mo Evans came in. He nailed 3 treys (do we not understand this guy is money when left open?). Calderon started to play lazy vs Bibby through the 2nd and third quarters, and Bibby lit us up like a christmas tree. If it weren't for our lazy perimeter D, this game was over in the first half.

Also, what's with the bullshit first foul on Bargnani? It's like the refs are playing games with us every game - let's see how quickly we can tag Bargs with a bullshit foul. Bargs started the game red hot with 7 points, then rode the pine with 2 quick fouls (one atrociously bad, the other, just a bad call) and never was effective again.
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One massive positive from the game was Joey Graham. Not only was he effective on O and D (except biting hard for a Joe Johnson spin fake that made Joey look foolish), but Joey's effort was fantastic on O. He was hitting J's and crashing the boards and making smart plays. He finally played like the game isn't WAY too fast for him.

Also, Jason Kapono came out looking to shoot and run around some screens. Consequently, he scored like crazy. Who would have thought it's so easy?

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Jose's still not right; he's tentative on O, and only drove the ball to the basket ONE time. Fortunately, it was right when we needed it (and unexpected for the Hawks). Unfortunately, we didn't get back on D, and Bibby ran down the court and scored a layup on us in exactly the same way.
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Old 11-29-2008, 01:59 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I noticed BC was actualy watching most of the game. He even came back near the end, i guess to see what the hell the team and mitchell where doing.
Nice try.

He does that every home game.
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Old 11-29-2008, 02:02 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Also, what's with the bullshit first foul on Bargnani? It's like the refs are playing games with us every game - let's see how quickly we can tag Bargs with a bullshit foul. Bargs started the game red hot with 7 points, then rode the pine with 2 quick fouls (one atrociously bad, the other, just a bad call) and never was effective again.
Actually Bargs didn't sit after the second foul. There were people here in the game thread complaining that Mitchell didn't take him out.
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TO needs to mask Joses deficiences at least until he is 100% again.

Atlanta had Bibby guarding Moon(who SUCKS on "O") so that he could save the energy for the offensive end. Raps need to do something similar to Mask Jose.
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TO needs to mask Joses deficiences at least until he is 100% again.

Atlanta had Bibby guarding Moon(who SUCKS on "O") so that he could save the energy for the offensive end. Raps need to do something similar to Mask Jose.
And Moon was somewhat effective on O yesterday and just shot over top of him.

Thing is though who is Jose going to cover? Most team's 2 and 3's will destroy him -as would've Joe Johnson and Marvin Williams.

Who's he going to cover on the Lakers? One of Kobe or Radmanovic?

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And Moon was somewhat effective on O and yesterday as just shot over top of him.

Thing is though who is Jose going to cover? Most team's 2 and 3's will destroy him -as would've Joe Johnson and Marvin Willimiams.
I know, but if it is switched enough, mabey it would keep 1 person in particular from getting ridiculously hot.

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Hey ToRAPs - I have no problem admitting the players here are adequate. I'm just bugged that they didn't get one solid defender to help mask the deficiencies of Jose and JK as well, and to capitalize on what JO brings to the team. It just seems like such a wasted opportunity to really make good things happen. But maybe Joey can do the job I'm looking for. And I was fairly happy with Solomon at least making an effort on D. So I'll stop whining for sure.

Guys - I'm not sure I buy all this Jose just isn't right stuff. I mean when was he right then? Even going back to last season he just lagged along on many nights when he was starting. I think he's still going through the process of learning the NBA game, especially in terms of the demands on his body, and how that effects him mentally when he's counted on for starter's minutes. I'm thinking that if he can continue at the level he is at right now, and gets the team off to good starts, and not starts like the games against Philly and Boston, and if he makes strong enough defensive showings at the end of games, then he is going to figure out the stuff in the middle in due time.
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in Jose's defense, Harris just torched deron for 35 points with a very high FG%. Jose's worse games this season (on defense) were against two very fast PGs in rondo and harris, who on a good day, are extremely hard to stop.
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In Deron's defense it was only his second or third game back from missing most of the entire season to date
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