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'trane 06-26-2011 02:21 PM

could they really have been immediately better with walker or knight? we're talking 2 guards that still need a fair bit of work, and who would both be playing behind bayless and calderon. i don't see much immediate improvement from that. my hope was that drafting one of them would be a sign of trading jose and moving on from that era, but i didn't think we would be better in the sort run.

we'll be a bottom feeder next year regardless of who we drafted.

Don Vito 06-26-2011 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 'trane (Post 554096)
could they really have been immediately better with walker or knight? we're talking 2 guards that still need a fair bit of work, and who would both be playing behind bayless and calderon. i don't see much immediate improvement from that. my hope was that drafting one of them would be a sign of trading jose and moving on from that era, but i didn't think we would be better in the sort run.

we'll be a bottom feeder next year regardless of who we drafted.

Bottom feeder? I don't know about that. I actually think the team has potential to be .500, but if not then we will secure another high draft pick.. in which case 2012 will look bright.

Chiggmo 06-26-2011 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Vito (Post 554098)
Bottom feeder? I don't know about that. I actually think the team has potential to be .500, but if not then we will secure another high draft pick.. in which case 2012 will look bright.

.500? The fuck you smokeing...

carp 06-26-2011 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Vito (Post 554098)
Bottom feeder? I don't know about that. I actually think the team has potential to be .500, but if not then we will secure another high draft pick.. in which case 2012 will look bright.

they do have that potential... but so does Milwaukee, Detroit, Indiana, New Jersey.... etc.

Don Vito 06-26-2011 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiggmo (Post 554100)
.500? The fuck you smokeing...

I'm not smokeing anything, I just think with the chemistry and new coach that we could be pretty good. We have some good players who are serious about winning. Sorry for seeing the glass half full. I guess because I'm a raptors fan I should see the glass half empty, like you? :tombstone:

'trane 06-26-2011 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Vito (Post 554103)
I'm not smokeing anything, I just think with the chemistry and new coach that we could be pretty good. We have some good players who are serious about winning. Sorry for seeing the glass half full. I guess because I'm a raptors fan I should see the glass half empty, like you? :tombstone:

we were awful, and so far we've added almost nothing. we can wait to see what we add in free agency, but with barbosa picking his option up we don't have much cash, and with a lockout looming it's hard to imagine the ownership will want to spend much. i can't imagine our players will develop enough for us to be much better. maybe we'll be 6th worst instead of 3rd worst...

js12 06-26-2011 02:56 PM

With the team as bad as it is, let's just say a shortened NBA season could do us Raptor fans a favour.

carp 06-26-2011 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 'trane (Post 554104)
we were awful, and so far we've added almost nothing. we can wait to see what we add in free agency, but with barbosa picking his option up we don't have much cash, and with a lockout looming it's hard to imagine the ownership will want to spend much. i can't imagine our players will develop enough for us to be much better. maybe we'll be 6th worst instead of 3rd worst...

we also had alot of injuries... ill-timed.... and our young guys are going to be improving, not stagnant.... we could be a .500 team though it's not likely. I like his optimism.

baigs353 06-26-2011 03:02 PM

hello

MARTYNAS 06-26-2011 03:15 PM

Guys, sorry, but no way Raptors will be .500 team. I am not a psychic, but the one with unbiased opinion. Raptors was 3rd worst team in the NBA last season. How come they get good just like that, with no reason,? And don't forget all worst teams also improved. Minny got Rubio and Williams. CAVS got Irving, Thompson, and don't forget how many injuries CAVS had. An so on...

About Jonas. Rebuilding is long precess. Fans are impatient and thats understandable. But think for a sec. Raptors do not need quick change or get better right now. Whats the point? Teams like Lakers needs that, not bottom feeders.
You know what happens when you try to rebuild quick and chase for instant change? you sign a guy like Turkoglu... Yeah, Raptors tried the instant change thing, and it was total failure.

Bill Haverchuck 06-26-2011 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 'trane (Post 554104)
so far we've added almost nothing. we can wait to see what we add in free agency, but with barbosa picking his option up we don't have much cash, and with a lockout looming it's hard to imagine the ownership will want to spend much.

We might have the cash to pick up a significant piece, but I agree that it probably won't happen now. Just a hunch. Even if there is a season, I think the Raps might avoid spending, unless a wonderful opportunity presents itself. It might not be worth it to spend right now. Depends on the new cap situation.

Once the CBA is worked out, it's possible that the Raps could have close to $15 million to use on a couple of players, I think (I could be wrong). Jonas is not coming over next year, so I think his cap hold comes off the books. That means the Raps have about $45 million allocated to 10 guys (9 who can play, 'cause Kleiza is hurt). Colangelo will probably fill a few "end of the bench" and "practice roster" spots with really cheap contracts, which would only need to take up a few million, so the payroll would still be below $50 mill.

According to a couple of reports, the league is offering the players a $62 million cap. I can't see the players countering with something lower than that; it would obviosly be against their interests. So, assuming the Raps fill a couple of vacant roster spots with cheap players (which makes sense because there won't be minutes for them), B.C could then spend close to $15 mill going after a Center and SF.

It might end up really sucking that Barbossa picked up his option. Depending on how the CBA situation develops, the Raps might have had over $20 mill to spend on a Center and SF. In that type of situation, I could see Colangelo being motivated to make a move right now, because that's a lot of cap room. When you have that much money to use, there would have been some interesting options. Maybe he could have offered a frontloaded contract to an interesting RFA, like one of Denver's wings or Nene. I feel like we might be overpaying Barbossa at $7.6 mill. I'd much rather overpay (at the start of the contract) a young wing, like Afflalo or W.Chandler, who will grow with the club.

Damn you, Barbossaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Chiggmo 06-26-2011 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Vito (Post 554103)
I'm not smokeing anything, I just think with the chemistry and new coach that we could be pretty good. We have some good players who are serious about winning. Sorry for seeing the glass half full. I guess because I'm a raptors fan I should see the glass half empty, like you? :tombstone:

Sorry but if you think were going to improve by nearly double the amount by adding nothing (pending free agency) just because of a coach? Theres nothing currently to be optimistic about.

Bill Haverchuck 06-26-2011 03:54 PM

If John Wall is healthy, Washington will probably improve a bit. He started last season with some nagging injuries that held him back a little bit.

Cleveland was playing better after Baron arrived. If the team is healthy, they will be deeper and more talented than last season.

Wing play was one of - if not the - biggest problem for Milwaukee last year. Salmons shit the bed big time after signing his new contract. And then Delfino got hurt after he started to pick up the slack. Also, they missed the offensive boost that Ridnour use to provide off the bench. The acquisition of Stephen Jackson and Udrih might really help the Bucks address those weaknesses. I could see them making the playoffs again.

Indiana is young, and picked up another decent piece in the offseason (Hill). Just based on internal improvement alone, I think they will be better. In addition to that, the Pacers cpotential cap space is a wild card.

New Jersey will have D-Will for a full season now. He'll make them better.

Detroit? Meh.

Bobcats? Too bad we can't play them 40 times next season, then maybe we would be .500.

LX 06-26-2011 07:55 PM

I think we're wonderfully positioned to go through a lockout rather painlessly. We're as good as any other team if we don't play any games.

Scully 06-26-2011 08:14 PM

A rookie wasen't going to make this team, even if we took Irving. I am still waiting to see what happens in the off season through trades and or free agency before I resign my self to complete frustration. Jonas has 2 -3 years before he was going to make a difference, It s probably a good thing I don't have to be in direct visual contact with his development. As long as some one is ushering him to the weight room and making him shoot free throws.

komot 06-26-2011 11:57 PM

on the fence until he becomes a boom/bust player, thats when the true emotions will come out.

Northern Neighbour 06-27-2011 12:34 PM

I like the pick, as I think JV has a great upside. I'm also a fan of Bayless, so I would like to see how he progresses with another season under his belt.

Carlos Danger 06-27-2011 01:35 PM

At first I was really frustrated, but now that I've given it a few days to sink in, I don't think there was a better choice then Jonas. I'm excited to get to watch him in the U-19 tournament in a few days, and hopefully the Euro tournament.

As long as he can stay healthy and put on about..15 pounds?? He should be good for next season, and Jonas alongside another top 10 draft choice next year should help us improve by a fair amount.

rbreezy68 06-28-2011 11:43 PM

at first i was disappointed , then i saw tapes of val, he's a true center, plays hard and can even shoot free throws, tyson chandler can't shoot, haywood can't shoot, so for a rebuild situation this is the best pick.


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