So Rudy, about that eye surgery...
Old 11-04-2013, 10:24 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I was just checking our team's stats out and a few stats jumped out at me:

Rudy Gay -
17.2 ppg, 9.3 reb, 2.6 ast, 1.3 stl, 32.7% FG, PER 10.6



Jonas Valanciunas -
6.3 ppg, 7.0 reb, 1.3 blk, PER 10.1, 21.7 mins per game, 40.9% FG

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Didn't Rudy Gay get off-season eye surgery that was supposed to "correct" his shooting woes? It's early in the season, and his FG% will undoubtedly go up, but this is the fourth straight decline year in shooting for Gay

Rudy Gay last 5 years FG%:

47.1%
45.5%
42.5%
40.8%
32.7%

Yikes! I've noticed that Gay seems to have to try so hard to score - he gets a drive to the basket but seldom dunks it with authority; even though he's 6'8 and built, when he's in the paint area he can't finish like a Carmelo/LeBron/etc. Gay's shot from the field is off too; he's chucking at a high volume. At least he's rebounding and stuff but this is disturbing!
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I'm also sad at how tragically underused Jonas is on our team. Amir is playing great and he's super efficient (24.3 PER!!), but it's sad that Jonas isn't getting more burn. We run no plays for him and so far, despite being hugely improved, he's playing fewer minutes than last year. Our coach talks a big game about Jonas' improvement, too which is baffling given his propensity to leave him on the bench for so long!

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Finally, just for kicks

Andrea Bargnani
9.7ppg, 2.0 reb, 0.0 blk, 50% FG, 20.3 mins per game, PER 9.1

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Old 11-04-2013, 10:42 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I missed the atlanta game, but so far he looks pretty terrible.

Forcing everything and throwing up bricks. As long as the team is winning and at least he's doing some other things out there i don't care too much. At some point some of those are going to start going in one would hope.
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He's averaging 9.3rpg and playing pretty good D imo. I would have to think that he will start to hit his shots at a better rate.
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Old 11-04-2013, 10:58 AM   #4 (permalink)
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The emphasis right now is on defense. With that said, I think Rudy's offense has killed Toronto's defense, particularly with problems in transition. Missing as many layups and chippies as he has, along with handing the ball off to opposing teams too often, has not made the defense look so hot. As DeMar improves it makes Rudy more superfluous, UNLESS he can find his way within the framework of the team.

I think one area he can do that immediately is by getting Jonas more involved himself. They have started running plays for Jonas, so I'm not too concerned about that. But if Rudy just gives himself free reign then that will not leave much of a place for Jonas. Finding a better balance will help both players out, and since it's Rudy with the ball in his hands so much, it's on him to find that balance. If he can't do it, then I think it would be interesting to see what Landry Fields could do in Rudy's place, if not as a starter, then as an early rotational replacement or something. It's crucial that this team drive the ball and pass the ball. Rudy has done a decent job at driving to the rim, but he desperately needs to start passing it.
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By the way, it just occurred to me that what I'm seeing as vital, is Rudy being "neutered" in the same way that Lowry supposedly was. That was the term wasn't it? Does anybody object to that? Or is that to be seen in the same negative fashion?
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Honestly I'd rather have DeMar than Rudy. Almost same skill set but one makes a lot less money.
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Anyone else miss Ed Davis?
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Honestly I'd rather have DeMar than Rudy. Almost same skill set but one makes a lot less money.
I prefer Gay's defense, rebounding, size. The only thing I dislike about him is his efficiency. He used to be efficient, but if he can't start hitting his shots i'd probably rather keep Demar. Ideally imo, i'd ship them both out if we can replace them with a 3pt shooting wing player, a prospect and a couple picks.
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Anyone else miss Ed Davis?
I don't, simply because we have no need at PF right now. Davis isn't markedly better than either Amir or Hansbrough right now, and without Rudy we'd have a gaping hole at SF.
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I prefer Gay's defense, rebounding, size. The only thing I dislike about him is his efficiency. He used to be efficient, but if he can't start hitting his shots i'd probably rather keep Demar. Ideally imo, i'd ship them both out if we can replace them with a 3pt shooting wing player, a prospect and a couple picks.
You don't think it would help if he passed the ball a little bit? You're burning up over Jonas not getting more involved, but are content with rudy refusing to give up the ball? How does that work?

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I prefer Gay's defense, rebounding, size. The only thing I dislike about him is his efficiency. He used to be efficient, but if he can't start hitting his shots i'd probably rather keep Demar. Ideally imo, i'd ship them both out if we can replace them with a 3pt shooting wing player, a prospect and a couple picks.
Would love to see Detroit throw in that Caldwell-Pope kid.... long, athletic, range for days.... and he's their fifth guard! Detroit just lines up well as a trading partner, and we'd get Charlie V back!

I'm not sure what should be done with Rudy and Demar except I do know that Casey needs to take control of this offence. Maybe max them out at 15 shots each until they learn the value of shot selection. Yank them after 15.... lol
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You don't think it would help if he passed the ball a little bit? You're burning up over Jonas not getting more involved, but are content with rudy refusing to give up the ball? How does that gibe?
I think both wings lack in passing skills and court vision, so asking them to facilitate more may not achieve the intended results anyways.
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I think both wings lack in passing skills and court vision, so asking them to facilitate more may not achieve the intended results anyways.
Once again you have failed to notice improvements in DeMar's game. No big surprise. In any case, facilitating isn't entirely necessary. He could pass the ball to a facilitator. Forcing his own shots helps nothing. If he gives up the ball he will get better shots himself and be more efficient.
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You don't think it would help if he passed the ball a little bit? You're burning up over Jonas not getting more involved, but are content with rudy refusing to give up the ball? How does that work?
Where did I say anything about Jonas or Gay's passing? Obviously Gay should pass the ball more, that's a given. No way should he be taking 19-20 shots per game especially when he's shooting 32 FG%. I agree JV absolutely needs more touches, not to mention more minutes.
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What I find hilarious is hearing Jeff Blair this morning all but blaming Lowry for our poor play. Now, he hasn't been perfect but Blair called him selfish and blamed him for our Loss Friday vs Atlanta. Pretty astounding because imo Lowry has played pretty good imo. He's also blaming him for lack of ball movement, which as a PG he has to take some of that blame, but Christ when he comes up the floor and passes it to one of our wing players and they hold onto the ball for 10 seconds then take ill-advised 15-18ft jumpers I don't blame that on Lowry. Lowry could give it to them less obviously, but who the hell knows what Casey is asking them to do. The media has had it in for Lowry almost from the beginning, just look at D. Smith....with him it's blatant.

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Once again you have failed to notice improvements in DeMar's game. No big surprise. In any case, facilitating isn't entirely necessary. He could pass the ball to a facilitator. Forcing his own shots helps nothing. If he gives up the ball he will get better shots himself and be more efficient.
minor improvements, sure, but my point wasn't to just slam Demar. It's not like Demar is lighting up the stats compared to SG's around the league so he's clearly not undeserving of constructive criticism.

I'm just saying, expecting either to become playmakers is likely to result in more turnovers, but I agree giving the ball up more is critical. Neuter them a bit if you prefer that term. Both stand to be more efficient, regardless of improvements they may have made.

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well.. Rudy has bad shot selection, and his offense is not in flow with the team, when he got subbed out the Milwakee game the ball movement was much better, it is early, but the chemistry for the raps ain't there yet

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Honestly I'd rather have DeMar than Rudy. Almost same skill set but one makes a lot less money.
Demar takes better shots and looks for teamates more then Rudy... how ever Rudy is a good rebounder because of his length.. a good sf to have if he wasn't so expensive.. and him and Demar actually looked better playing together last season so far

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Where did I say anything about Jonas or Gay's passing? Obviously Gay should pass the ball more, that's a given. No way should he be taking 19-20 shots per game especially when he's shooting 32 FG%. I agree JV absolutely needs more touches, not to mention more minutes.
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The only thing I dislike about him is his efficiency.
So you dislike more than just his efficiency? I'm trying to make sense of your positions and clarify. Don't make it like pulling teeth.
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He's averaging 9.3rpg and playing pretty good D imo. I would have to think that he will start to hit his shots at a better rate.

This except his shot selection really needs work though. He's taking to many tightly contested shots where he should dribble/drive/pass or just pass.
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So you dislike more than just his efficiency? I'm trying to make sense of your positions and clarify. Don't make it like pulling teeth.
Wat? Its the same thing. Not passing and taking a bad shot describes inefficiency.
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