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Old 06-24-2011, 09:28 PM   #21 (permalink)
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my god, why cant people actually think.

jv isnt coming over this year at all.

that leaves if a fa is signed 4 bigmen worthy of minutes. only 4. and people are talking about trading one?

yeah, a competetive nba team can make due with 3 bigs.




jeez, think about it people, these are the combinations:

FA center/bargs pf
fa center/davis pf
fa center/amir pf
bargs center/davis pf
bargs center/amir pf
davis center/amir pf

more than enough minutes to go around with foul troubles, bad nights, injuries etc, you dont go into an nba season with only 3 bigs on roster. thats just fucking stupid. And alabi doesnt fucking count.
Yeah but the point is either Bargnani or Davis will have to come off the bench next year. No way Davis should come off the bench but whether we like it or not Bargnani is our best player, so he'll start. If he does come off the bench, he'll be so devastated, and because of how weak minded he is he'll just suck of the bench like in previous years and we'll be stuck with him because his stock will fall. How do you tell your teams leading scorer your coming off the bench now without hurting his pride and damaging team chemistry because he will think he's better than everyone else and be a black hole off the bench.

Solution: Trade him while he's an asset and has stock.
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Old 06-24-2011, 09:32 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Alabi should start at center.
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Old 06-24-2011, 09:41 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I don't get why you guys think Bargnani can play pf. Most Pf's can grab around 10 rebs a night (hump, boozer, bosh, Randolph, griffin, reggie, love, pau, etc) and he doesn't play reboundball
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Old 06-24-2011, 09:49 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I don't get why you guys think Bargnani can play pf. Most Pf's can grab around 10 rebs a night (hump, boozer, bosh, Randolph, griffin, reggie, love, pau, etc) and he doesn't play reboundball
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Old 06-25-2011, 12:39 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Our roster/depth chart/minutes will be approx. this for most of the upcoming season:

Calderon/Bayless
DeRozan/Barbosa
Kleiza/Johnson/Weems/NEW 3RD-STRINGER
Bargnani/Johnson/Evans/Dorsey
Davis/Valancuinas/VET CENTRE

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Old 06-25-2011, 10:06 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Alabi should start at center.
Way to stir the pot....
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Old 06-25-2011, 11:16 AM   #27 (permalink)
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At this time we have the same team as last year ... no JV.

If there is a season, we can assess ...
Does Bayless have the ability to be a PG starter?
Is Davis going to continue to improve and be a legit PF starter?
Can Bargs survive / learn under Casey?
Will Jose be okay coming off the bench?
Will DD continue to improve?
Will we improve overall defense under Casey?
Is Kleiza ever going to be able to play at a high level again?
Is the Brazilian Blurr coming back?
Etc

No need to go crazy yet ....
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Old 06-25-2011, 01:11 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Our roster/depth chart/minutes will be approx. this for most of the upcoming season:

Calderon/Bayless
DeRozan/Barbosa
Kleiza/Johnson/Weems/NEW 3RD-STRINGER
Bargnani/Johnson/Evans/Dorsey
Davis/Valancuinas/VET CENTRE

No Val for another year so you can take him off. Davis is not a center, he is a PF - not sure how big you think he is. Kleiza won't play till after December. Barbo will start at SG. DD will start at SF with JJ as his backup. By all accounts Alabi is looking really good. Of course there may be trades.

I think the roster will look quite different for 2012 when Jonas comes over.
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I am expecting some big trades coming up.
When is the cut off time for BC to use the Money left over from the heat trade.
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Old 06-25-2011, 08:35 PM   #30 (permalink)
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I am expecting some big trades coming up.
When is the cut off time for BC to use the Money left over from the heat trade.
Wasn't it the end of June?
It's good to know what we need to do, but how can you convince the other team to give up their solid center for a soft touch (or douche).
I don't see us getting any starter value for AB now, but his value will diminish even further the longer we wait.
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Old 06-25-2011, 09:13 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I am expecting some big trades coming up.
When is the cut off time for BC to use the Money left over from the heat trade.
can they make trades with no CBA???
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Old 06-26-2011, 02:09 AM   #32 (permalink)
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well.. if Bargs does not proof himself, then we won't have a log jam
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can they make trades with no CBA???
no
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Old 06-26-2011, 02:29 AM   #34 (permalink)
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He should cut 30lbs and play SF at times (in my opinion)
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Old 06-26-2011, 10:53 AM   #35 (permalink)
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If you would think more than one year ahead you'd realize that by signing a FA center we'd have 5 bigs under contract that need minutes in 2012-13 when Val arrives.

Unless we get a guy with a one year contract. How many quality NBA players would accept a one year contract from a rebuilding team, do you suppose?

Val will definitely create a logjam if a FA center is signed. If a guy is moved in a S&T, however, Alabi (maybe even Dorsey and Ajinca) would be available to eat up any left over minutes until Val arrives.

ok so val is gonna come in in one years time and instantly become an important cog?

maybe val isnt gonna be any good?

maybe Bargs retires?

maybe davis breaks into 3 pieces on the court.

maybe amir joins the circus.


lets let thing ride, see how they play out for at least part of next season before we worry about dealing bargs/amir/ed/fa/jv etc.
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Yeah but the point is either Bargnani or Davis will have to come off the bench next year. No way Davis should come off the bench but whether we like it or not Bargnani is our best player, so he'll start. If he does come off the bench, he'll be so devastated, and because of how weak minded he is he'll just suck of the bench like in previous years and we'll be stuck with him because his stock will fall. How do you tell your teams leading scorer your coming off the bench now without hurting his pride and damaging team chemistry because he will think he's better than everyone else and be a black hole off the bench.

Solution: Trade him while he's an asset and has stock.
ok?

so its bad that bars is the best player and should start? nice logic there.

and he wont like coming off the bech when he did it before with no complaints? ok.

and his stock is definately going to fall while hopefully playing his batural position with a better coach and team around? ok?
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ok?

so its bad that bars is the best player and should start? nice logic there.

and he wont like coming off the bech when he did it before with no complaints? ok.

and his stock is definately going to fall while hopefully playing his batural position with a better coach and team around? ok?
This.

Davis doesn't have to start.... as long as he gets major minutes. Also, this thinking that Bargnani's value is going to plummet significantly is absurd. He's a healthy 7 footer with skill... there will always be a market for him. Furthermore, he's not weak-minded... he doesn't let any of the hate bother him and generally uses a dry wit to mock the obsessive negativity. He plays a team game, doesn't need to be coddled as the star, isn't out making self-aggrandizing claims of MVP-dom....

Yes, scoring 20 points a game isn't everything, but he's never wilted to tougher players, and his defence while often soft and porous, like much of his teammates', doesn't make him weak just inconsistent.
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He plays a team game? Is that what you call <1 assist per game and watching the other four guys on the floor trying to defend? Or is it all the bad shots? Or maybe the way he so often needs his teammates to get his ass where he needs to be to set a pick for them?

If he showed any hint of understanding a team game, let alone actually playing something of a team game, I wouldn't be so anxious to be rid of him.
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He plays a team game? Is that what you call <1 assist per game and watching the other four guys on the floor trying to defend? Or is it all the bad shots? Or maybe the way he so often needs his teammates to get his ass where he needs to be to set a pick for them?

If he showed any hint of understanding a team game, let alone actually playing something of a team game, I wouldn't be so anxious to be rid of him.
Actually, some of the things you suggest are indicative of not playing a team game, but he also swings the ball plenty, doesn't call for the ball as often as post players we've had in the past... I also believe the coaching staff gave him a green light on shots that could have been reigned in somewhat. I disagree that he was ever watching four teammates ever defending together.

You may not like him, but you can't talk in absolutes unless you wish to make your stance impenetrable. The truth is that he has shown positive contributions though maybe not as often as you'd wish.
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Actually, some of the things you suggest are indicative of not playing a team game, but he also swings the ball plenty, doesn't call for the ball as often as post players we've had in the past... I also believe the coaching staff gave him a green light on shots that could have been reigned in somewhat. I disagree that he was ever watching four teammates ever defending together.

You may not like him, but you can't talk in absolutes unless you wish to make your stance impenetrable. The truth is that he has shown positive contributions though maybe not as often as you'd wish.
He has consistently found himself guarding nobody and standing and watching a shot while four other guys have done their job defending. And by consistently I mean far too much. It's inexplicable and unacceptable for any level of defender. To say he has never done so is talking in absolutes that make me speechless, which I suspect is your aim.
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