Smith's list of SF's that Raptors should target next season

Dr. J. Naismith · 03-05-2008, 11:40 AM

Interesting list Doug has compiled and I think the majority of us would agree that we seriously need to make some type of move next season if we want to compete in the East.

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Originally Posted by Doug Smith

If I’m Bryan Colangelo, and sadly I’m not, this summer is time to make the bold move. He’s got expiring contracts worth any combination of salary from about $2 million to $20 million and he can mix and match Rasho, Garbo, AP, Joey, Maceo and Moon however he sees fit.

I know a bit about how the GM thinks and he’s pouring over rosters finding an impact two or three from a team that might want to save some money long-term and he’s ready to wheel and deal.

So, here’s my list of guys he can, and should, go after. It’s not in any particular order.

Andres Nocioni, Mike Dunleavy, Mike Miller, Richard Jefferson, Boris Diaw, Andrei Kirilenko, Al Harrington, Jason Richardson, Jamal Crawford, Josh Smith, Michael Redd.

What he’s got to do is find a team facing possible tax problems in a year or two – a team with a lot of young guys who’ll need to be paid at the same time – or a team that doesn’t quite work as it’s constructed.

Four situations jump out at me: Nocioni, Miller, Jefferson and Kirilenko.

Personally, of that group, I rank 'em Nocioni, Kirilenko, Jefferson Miller.

He can’t sell it as a purely present day basketball but if he tosses in a draft pick or two it might make it more palatable.

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MangoKidHoops · 03-05-2008, 11:45 AM

Nocioni.. by far. Not even a question.

Dr. J. Naismith · 03-05-2008, 11:53 AM

I don't know, I kind of like the thought of Jefferson in a Raptors uniform. Gay references or tendencies aside, that man can ball.

MangoKidHoops · 03-05-2008, 11:57 AM

He can ball for sure, but I think he's the piece Thorn wants to keep - he'd rather ship out VC. In Chicago, if the Bulls are in a position to draft a SF in the lottery, they might consider Noc expendible - especially at his contract - and he fits the bill for us perfectly - a tough, hard nosed defender who has range out to the 3-point line.

**Benzo** · 03-05-2008, 12:08 PM

DUNLEAVY!!!!!!!!...wait I just want his dad to come coach.....will this help?

**Acie** · 03-05-2008, 12:12 PM

Nocioni is a beast. It would be great to have here.

The MVP of West Hollywood · 03-05-2008, 01:55 PM

Nocioni's kind of a chucker. He'd be a slightly better version of Delfino. As for Miller, he's a great shooter, but we don't really need any more of those. We need someone who can drive and slash.

Dunleavy would be amazing and might make us East contenders right away... but I think he's Indy's closest thing to a franchise player right now, it'd be as hard to get him as someone Josh Smith or Redd, IMO. Jefferson is possible because New jersey wants to go in rebuild mode. Kirilenko would be nice too but his contract is big. If we can get either of the last two, I'd be a happy camper.

**Acie** · 03-05-2008, 02:11 PM

Nocioni's a good defender and a very tough and agressive player. I think we certainly do need a player like that.

**fancylad** · 03-05-2008, 02:13 PM

Nocioni and or Jefferson would be great.

two nice "second option" type players.

**INSIDER** · 03-05-2008, 02:55 PM

Jefferson would be the ideal SF for us.
hands down.
i hate the guy, but cant deny he'd be the exact fit we need to complete our puzzle.

Nocioni is (as MVP pointed out) a chucker. sure he has the mentality we need... hard noised, take no crap, hussler... he also relies on his shot too much. and the last thing we need is another guy parking behind the arc.

we need a guy (like RJ) who's going to create his own shot, get to the basket, drive the lane and get to the foul line when the chips are down. he can play D, hussles well and compliments our guys. i think think RJ is that guy.

Miller would be nice here, but he's too much of a shooter... unless we give up a parker or kapono, he wont end up here.

AK47 just gets paid too much IMO.

when it all comes down to it, odds are we'll target Nocioni...
it just makes sense.
he's expendable in Chicago... we wont have to pay and arm and a leg for him... and most importantly; he's euro. i'd be surprised if we didnt end up trying to snag him.

03-05-2008, 03:04 PM

I like J-Rich
hes all about winning.
nocioni... dont really like him..

03-05-2008, 03:07 PM

Josh Smith would be PERFECT.

03-05-2008, 03:20 PM

Kuzzy'z Scenario!

Atlanta Hawks will realize that Bibby wont take them anywhere, not even to the playoffs.
SOO they will look for a PG...
Behind Smith on the rotation is MARVIN WILLIAMS, someone whose shown a huge amount of development this year. Now M.Will is coming off the bench along with another solid swingman J.Childress.
Now do they really need all these guys?
Josh smith will easily get 5years worth 60 million
and we can give up either TJ or Jose along with an expiring contract and complete
a sign and trade with the hawks.

The hawks can utilize Bibby in another trade for a BIGMAN to play alongside Horford.
This would be a win-win deal for both teams.

Raptor ------------------------------------------------Hawks:
Calderon/Ford--------------------------------------- Calderon/Ford
Parker--------------------------------------------- Johnson
Smith---------------------------------------------- M williams
Bosh----------------------------------------------- Horford
Bargnani *crosses fingers ---------------------Pachulia or new bigman?

* what PG to keep?
* Will TJ regain enough value b4 the offseason?

**Claudius** · 03-05-2008, 03:26 PM

People need to realize J. Smith wouldn't fit in with this team.

I think RJ would be perfect. Plus he has a slight mean streak to him that I like as well.

03-05-2008, 03:28 PM

yeah like the dudes attitude, rough as they get.
But why not JSmith C?

**Ball Don't Lie** · 03-05-2008, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Dunleavy would be amazing and might make us East contenders right away...

What???? Did you see Dunleavy before this year and in GSW? The guy is a chucker who plays no defence. Dont let his 36 against us fool you. Hes a 6th-7th man at best on a good team. Hes Mike Miller lite.

We need a bonified SF scorer and at least decent defensive player. I think Granger would be a fantastic fit, him or Iguodala. Granger shoots it better but Iguodala is more aggressive and is a better defensive player(even though its not by much).

Nocioni isnt starter material, RJ's a pansy who cant create his own offence, Miller is a starter but isnt a good individual defender, and Diaw/Harrington/Crawford shouldnt even be on the list.

Smith has lost a step. How can you put Nocioni at the top of that list for those 4 guys? Comeon. The guy is in and out of the starting lineup for the worst offensive team in the league. Its nice hes tough but hes pretty limited in what he can do offensively and especially defensively as a starter. He'd be a great 6th man though.

**Ball Don't Lie** · 03-05-2008, 03:35 PM

Josh Smith is more of a PF than SF. He'd be a great fit on any team but our team would look disoriented with him at the 3 especially on offence. That and we have 0 chance of getting him.

RJ dissed raptornation. Hes dead to me. Plus you dont want him causing problems in the shower. The euros wont like him peeking.

**Acie** · 03-05-2008, 03:37 PM

Deng > Nocioni.

That's why he doesn't start. The guy is exactly what the Raps need. Someone who actually gives a shit out there and who can play D.

03-05-2008, 03:42 PM

Yeah I like JRich
what do you guys think we would have to give up to get him?

Superjudge · 03-05-2008, 06:33 PM

Jesus H Christ.

Ya the Raptors and 29 other teams.

Who outta that gand will be Desperate for a PG?

Expiring contracts?

thats it.

you fella's know all that shit so I'll knda let you figure it out for me, but you can't just look about and pick the 5 toughest 2-3 guy sin the league and talk lik ewe can just go on out and get um.

03-05-2008, 03:20 PM	#13 (permalink)
Kuzzy is pounding the rock! (Edit) Guest Posts: n/a Representing:	Kuzzy'z Scenario! Atlanta Hawks will realize that Bibby wont take them anywhere, not even to the playoffs. SOO they will look for a PG... Behind Smith on the rotation is MARVIN WILLIAMS, someone whose shown a huge amount of development this year. Now M.Will is coming off the bench along with another solid swingman J.Childress. Now do they really need all these guys? Josh smith will easily get 5years worth 60 million and we can give up either TJ or Jose along with an expiring contract and complete a sign and trade with the hawks. The hawks can utilize Bibby in another trade for a BIGMAN to play alongside Horford. This would be a win-win deal for both teams. Raptor ------------------------------------------------Hawks: Calderon/Ford--------------------------------------- Calderon/Ford Parker--------------------------------------------- Johnson Smith---------------------------------------------- M williams Bosh----------------------------------------------- Horford Bargnani crosses fingers ---------------------Pachulia or new bigman? what PG to keep? * Will TJ regain enough value b4 the offseason? Last edited by Kuzzy; 03-05-2008 at 03:23 PM.

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03-05-2008, 11:45 AM	#2 (permalink)
MangoKidHoops is saying too many dudes are Tyson Chandler, trying to lead their teams and went nowhere Scarborough, We Go Hard.. Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 6,916 Representing:	Nocioni.. by far. Not even a question.

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Dr. J. Naismith is convinced that Raptors fans are only happy when they're unhappy. Retired Administrator Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Almonte Posts: 10,251 Representing:	I don't know, I kind of like the thought of Jefferson in a Raptors uniform. Gay references or tendencies aside, that man can ball.

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MangoKidHoops is saying too many dudes are Tyson Chandler, trying to lead their teams and went nowhere Scarborough, We Go Hard.. Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 6,916 Representing:	He can ball for sure, but I think he's the piece Thorn wants to keep - he'd rather ship out VC. In Chicago, if the Bulls are in a position to draft a SF in the lottery, they might consider Noc expendible - especially at his contract - and he fits the bill for us perfectly - a tough, hard nosed defender who has range out to the 3-point line.

03-05-2008, 12:08 PM	#5 (permalink)
Benzo is hibernating Retired Administrator Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,278 Representing:	DUNLEAVY!!!!!!!!...wait I just want his dad to come coach.....will this help?

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Acie is landry fields forever Administrator Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Living in a van down by the river Posts: 20,468 Representing:	Nocioni is a beast. It would be great to have here.

03-05-2008, 01:55 PM	#7 (permalink)
The MVP of West Hollywood is the only guy who thinks Terrence Ross will be an all-star Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,126 Representing:	Nocioni's kind of a chucker. He'd be a slightly better version of Delfino. As for Miller, he's a great shooter, but we don't really need any more of those. We need someone who can drive and slash. Dunleavy would be amazing and might make us East contenders right away... but I think he's Indy's closest thing to a franchise player right now, it'd be as hard to get him as someone Josh Smith or Redd, IMO. Jefferson is possible because New jersey wants to go in rebuild mode. Kirilenko would be nice too but his contract is big. If we can get either of the last two, I'd be a happy camper.

03-05-2008, 02:11 PM	#8 (permalink)
Acie is landry fields forever Administrator Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Living in a van down by the river Posts: 20,468 Representing:	Nocioni's a good defender and a very tough and agressive player. I think we certainly do need a player like that.

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fancylad is travis pickin' nosce te ipsum Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: east side. Posts: 13,874 Representing:	Nocioni and or Jefferson would be great. two nice "second option" type players.

03-05-2008, 02:55 PM	#10 (permalink)
INSIDER is craving boobies never too old. Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: richmond hill Posts: 11,169 Representing:	Jefferson would be the ideal SF for us. hands down. i hate the guy, but cant deny he'd be the exact fit we need to complete our puzzle. Nocioni is (as MVP pointed out) a chucker. sure he has the mentality we need... hard noised, take no crap, hussler... he also relies on his shot too much. and the last thing we need is another guy parking behind the arc. we need a guy (like RJ) who's going to create his own shot, get to the basket, drive the lane and get to the foul line when the chips are down. he can play D, hussles well and compliments our guys. i think think RJ is that guy. Miller would be nice here, but he's too much of a shooter... unless we give up a parker or kapono, he wont end up here. AK47 just gets paid too much IMO. when it all comes down to it, odds are we'll target Nocioni... it just makes sense. he's expendable in Chicago... we wont have to pay and arm and a leg for him... and most importantly; he's euro. i'd be surprised if we didnt end up trying to snag him.

03-05-2008, 03:04 PM	#11 (permalink)
Kuzzy is pounding the rock! (Edit) Guest Posts: n/a Representing:	I like J-Rich hes all about winning. nocioni... dont really like him..

03-05-2008, 03:07 PM	#12 (permalink)
Kuzzy is pounding the rock! (Edit) Guest Posts: n/a Representing:	Josh Smith would be PERFECT.

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Claudius is contemplating The Killing Joke Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Burkina Faso, Disputed Zone Posts: 9,643 Representing:	People need to realize J. Smith wouldn't fit in with this team. I think RJ would be perfect. Plus he has a slight mean streak to him that I like as well.

03-05-2008, 03:28 PM	#15 (permalink)
Kuzzy is pounding the rock! (Edit) Guest Posts: n/a Representing:	yeah like the dudes attitude, rough as they get. But why not JSmith C?

03-05-2008, 03:35 PM	#17 (permalink)
Ball Don't Lie is praying Drummond doesnt haunt us forever. Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 9,028 Representing:	Josh Smith is more of a PF than SF. He'd be a great fit on any team but our team would look disoriented with him at the 3 especially on offence. That and we have 0 chance of getting him. RJ dissed raptornation. Hes dead to me. Plus you dont want him causing problems in the shower. The euros wont like him peeking.

03-05-2008, 03:37 PM	#18 (permalink)
Acie is landry fields forever Administrator Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Living in a van down by the river Posts: 20,468 Representing:	Deng > Nocioni. That's why he doesn't start. The guy is exactly what the Raps need. Someone who actually gives a shit out there and who can play D.

03-05-2008, 03:42 PM	#19 (permalink)
Kuzzy is pounding the rock! (Edit) Guest Posts: n/a Representing:	Yeah I like JRich what do you guys think we would have to give up to get him?

03-05-2008, 06:33 PM	#20 (permalink)
Superjudge is pounding the rock! Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 17,593 Representing:	Jesus H Christ. Ya the Raptors and 29 other teams. Who outta that gand will be Desperate for a PG? Expiring contracts? thats it. you fella's know all that shit so I'll knda let you figure it out for me, but you can't just look about and pick the 5 toughest 2-3 guy sin the league and talk lik ewe can just go on out and get um.