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Dr. J. Naismith 03-05-2008 11:40 AM

Smith's list of SF's that Raptors should target next season
Interesting list Doug has compiled and I think the majority of us would agree that we seriously need to make some type of move next season if we want to compete in the East. :grrr:


Originally Posted by Doug Smith
If Iím Bryan Colangelo, and sadly Iím not, this summer is time to make the bold move. Heís got expiring contracts worth any combination of salary from about $2 million to $20 million and he can mix and match Rasho, Garbo, AP, Joey, Maceo and Moon however he sees fit.

I know a bit about how the GM thinks and heís pouring over rosters finding an impact two or three from a team that might want to save some money long-term and heís ready to wheel and deal.

So, hereís my list of guys he can, and should, go after. Itís not in any particular order.

Andres Nocioni, Mike Dunleavy, Mike Miller, Richard Jefferson, Boris Diaw, Andrei Kirilenko, Al Harrington, Jason Richardson, Jamal Crawford, Josh Smith, Michael Redd.

What heís got to do is find a team facing possible tax problems in a year or two Ė a team with a lot of young guys whoíll need to be paid at the same time Ė or a team that doesnít quite work as itís constructed.

Four situations jump out at me: Nocioni, Miller, Jefferson and Kirilenko.

Personally, of that group, I rank 'em Nocioni, Kirilenko, Jefferson Miller.

He canít sell it as a purely present day basketball but if he tosses in a draft pick or two it might make it more palatable.

Source - Click here

MangoKidHoops 03-05-2008 11:45 AM

Nocioni.. by far. Not even a question.

Dr. J. Naismith 03-05-2008 11:53 AM

I don't know, I kind of like the thought of Jefferson in a Raptors uniform. Gay references or tendencies aside, that man can ball. :)

MangoKidHoops 03-05-2008 11:57 AM

He can ball for sure, but I think he's the piece Thorn wants to keep - he'd rather ship out VC. In Chicago, if the Bulls are in a position to draft a SF in the lottery, they might consider Noc expendible - especially at his contract - and he fits the bill for us perfectly - a tough, hard nosed defender who has range out to the 3-point line.

Benzo 03-05-2008 12:08 PM

DUNLEAVY!!!!!!!!...wait I just want his dad to come coach.....will this help?

Acie 03-05-2008 12:12 PM

Nocioni is a beast. It would be great to have here.

The MVP of West Hollywood 03-05-2008 01:55 PM

Nocioni's kind of a chucker. He'd be a slightly better version of Delfino. As for Miller, he's a great shooter, but we don't really need any more of those. We need someone who can drive and slash.

Dunleavy would be amazing and might make us East contenders right away... but I think he's Indy's closest thing to a franchise player right now, it'd be as hard to get him as someone Josh Smith or Redd, IMO. Jefferson is possible because New Jersey wants to go in rebuild mode. Kirilenko would be nice too but his contract is big. If we can get either of the last two, I'd be a happy camper.

Acie 03-05-2008 02:11 PM

Nocioni's a good defender and a very tough and agressive player. I think we certainly do need a player like that.

fancylad 03-05-2008 02:13 PM

Nocioni and or Jefferson would be great.

two nice "second option" type players.

INSIDER 03-05-2008 02:55 PM

Jefferson would be the ideal SF for us.
hands down.
i hate the guy, but cant deny he'd be the exact fit we need to complete our puzzle.

Nocioni is (as MVP pointed out) a chucker. sure he has the mentality we need... hard noised, take no crap, hussler... he also relies on his shot too much. and the last thing we need is another guy parking behind the arc.

we need a guy (like RJ) who's going to create his own shot, get to the basket, drive the lane and get to the foul line when the chips are down. he can play D, hussles well and compliments our guys. i think think RJ is that guy.

Miller would be nice here, but he's too much of a shooter... unless we give up a parker or kapono, he wont end up here.

AK47 just gets paid too much IMO.

when it all comes down to it, odds are we'll target Nocioni...
it just makes sense.
he's expendable in Chicago... we wont have to pay and arm and a leg for him... and most importantly; he's euro. i'd be surprised if we didnt end up trying to snag him.

Kuzzy 03-05-2008 03:04 PM

I like J-Rich
hes all about winning.
nocioni... dont really like him..

Kuzzy 03-05-2008 03:07 PM

Josh Smith would be PERFECT.

Kuzzy 03-05-2008 03:20 PM

Kuzzy'z Scenario!

Atlanta Hawks will realize that Bibby wont take them anywhere, not even to the playoffs.
SOO they will look for a PG...
Behind Smith on the rotation is MARVIN WILLIAMS, someone whose shown a huge amount of development this year. Now M.Will is coming off the bench along with another solid swingman J.Childress.
Now do they really need all these guys?
Josh smith will easily get 5years worth 60 million
and we can give up either TJ or Jose along with an expiring contract and complete
a sign and trade with the hawks.

The hawks can utilize Bibby in another trade for a BIGMAN to play alongside Horford.
This would be a win-win deal for both teams.

Raptor ------------------------------------------------Hawks:
Calderon/Ford--------------------------------------- Calderon/Ford
Parker--------------------------------------------- Johnson
Smith---------------------------------------------- M williams
Bosh----------------------------------------------- Horford
Bargnani *crosses fingers ---------------------Pachulia or new bigman?

* what PG to keep?
* Will TJ regain enough value b4 the offseason?

Claudius 03-05-2008 03:26 PM

People need to realize J. Smith wouldn't fit in with this team.

I think RJ would be perfect. Plus he has a slight mean streak to him that I like as well.

Kuzzy 03-05-2008 03:28 PM

yeah like the dudes attitude, rough as they get.
But why not JSmith C?

Ball Don't Lie 03-05-2008 03:32 PM


Dunleavy would be amazing and might make us East contenders right away...
What???? Did you see Dunleavy before this year and in GSW? The guy is a chucker who plays no defence. Dont let his 36 against us fool you. Hes a 6th-7th man at best on a good team. Hes Mike Miller lite.

We need a bonified SF scorer and at least decent defensive player. I think Granger would be a fantastic fit, him or Iguodala. Granger shoots it better but Iguodala is more aggressive and is a better defensive player(even though its not by much).

Nocioni isnt starter material, RJ's a pansy who cant create his own offence, Miller is a starter but isnt a good individual defender, and Diaw/Harrington/Crawford shouldnt even be on the list.

Smith has lost a step. How can you put Nocioni at the top of that list for those 4 guys? Comeon. The guy is in and out of the starting lineup for the worst offensive team in the league. Its nice hes tough but hes pretty limited in what he can do offensively and especially defensively as a starter. He'd be a great 6th man though.

Ball Don't Lie 03-05-2008 03:35 PM

Josh Smith is more of a PF than SF. He'd be a great fit on any team but our team would look disoriented with him at the 3 especially on offence. That and we have 0 chance of getting him.

RJ dissed raptornation. Hes dead to me. Plus you dont want him causing problems in the shower. The euros wont like him peeking.

Acie 03-05-2008 03:37 PM

Deng > Nocioni.

That's why he doesn't start. The guy is exactly what the Raps need. Someone who actually gives a shit out there and who can play D.

Kuzzy 03-05-2008 03:42 PM

Yeah I like JRich
what do you guys think we would have to give up to get him?

Superjudge 03-05-2008 06:33 PM

Jesus H Christ.

Ya the raptors and 29 other teams.

Who outta that gand will be Desperate for a PG?

Expiring contracts?

thats it.

you fella's know all that shit so I'll knda let you figure it out for me, but you can't just look about and pick the 5 toughest 2-3 guy sin the league and talk lik ewe can just go on out and get um.

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