Smith's Blog: A few interesting notes...
Old 09-30-2009, 08:54 AM   #1 (permalink)
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A few interesting things from Dougy's blog today.

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The defensive buzzwords this year?

Shrink and contain.

Talking to Marc and Jay yesterday about basic defensive philosophy and that’s pretty much what it comes down to.


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The Raptors get started at training camp on Tuesday.
Shrink the court, contain guys on the perimeter.

Sprint back to elbows and boxes and make sure the rim’s protected.

It’s not rocket science, which I guess is why I was able to understand it, but it’s something that’s going to be hammered home incessantly every practice.

It’s a style that lots of teams use and its lineage to here traces back to Pat Riley, as a matter of fact.

It’s something Marc used to drill when he was with Riley and the Heat, it’s the same style KO used when he was in Toronto (and if nothing else, that team wasn’t too bad defensively) and Jay liked it then and likes it now.

With the size of the Raptors – and going with 6-3 Jose, 6-7 DeRozan, 6-10 Turk, 7-0 Bargnani and 6-11 Bosh makes this team as big as any starting unit in the league just about – it probably had a chance to work quite well. Put those five guys on the boxes and the elbows and there’s not going to be a lot of room.

And they should also be long enough to get out into the corners in a couple of steps to contest shots.

Now, all they had to do is do it well and they’ve got something. Whether they can or not is something we’ll see as the games start.
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Jay’s started something new for this team: Before every practice, they get together for 15 minutes, maybe half an hour, maybe longer to sit in a classroom set up and go over stuff.

It’s teaching and talking, about philosophy, systems, how practice went, whatever he wants.

The thing is that it’s more formal than usual.

Jay’s got the room set up with seats in a row, like a class, there’s a whiteboard for showing plays and the like.

It’s something he picked up from Coach K and the USA Olympic team the past few summers and something he thinks works pretty well.

“Some guys don’t pick it up on the floor, they need to see it on the board.”
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In the bit of the scrimmage we got to see yesterday morning, it was Reggie Evans and Antoine Wright who filled in on the nominal first unit with Jose, DeRozan and Bargnani.
So Wright came in at SF, just like he would in the regular season if Turk was out of the game, not at sg.

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http://thestar.blogs.com/raptors/

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Old 09-30-2009, 09:32 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Jay seems like he is being a bit of a hard-ass and I for one couldn't be happier about that.
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Old 09-30-2009, 09:36 AM   #3 (permalink)
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But really, how contrived does an attempt to be a hard-ass come off when in reality you're as soft as Lance Bass at the Playboy Mansion?








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Old 09-30-2009, 11:00 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Acie you are so silly!! but you got a great AV!! Go Kurt!
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Old 09-30-2009, 11:58 AM   #5 (permalink)
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soft?

how, or why is he soft????

dude was a competitor when he played, and he is a hot head on the bench. Guy whipped his board at the team twice that I saw last year.
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Old 09-30-2009, 12:14 PM   #6 (permalink)
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An undersized white Canadian kid from Niagara Falls doesn't get a shot at a pro team by being soft. All we see of him is in interviews and on the sidelines, and just because he doesn't wear his emotions on his sleeve or pretend to be a flashy dude doesn't equate to soft. Tough to make conclusions unless you've been in the lockerroom at halftime.
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when Jay's facial changes to red, watch out!
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How is he not?

Please explain why all of the pussies on the team were lauding him for his laid-back approach after they fired Sam "Tough Love" Mitchell?
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well there hard, then there's pigheaded and stubborn. Therin lay the answer Acie.

You don't need to perpetuate some tired old loud and badassed junk yard dag stereotype to be hard.

Triano seems to be all business, he's just open to hearing guys speak thier side of things, they are afterall....men.

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I agree, to a certain extent.

However, I saw him and how he handled the Canadian Men's Team in practice on a special on Raps TV some 8 or 9 years ago and half of them were sleeping while he was speaking...in fact I fell asleep while watching it.
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a strong personality doesn't have to yell to make a point. In fact, he shouldn't do that. Yelling and acting tough just shows insecurity and alienates people.
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a strong personality doesn't have to yell to make a point. In fact, he shouldn't do that. Yelling and acting tough just shows insecurity and alienates people.
Really?

Tell that to Jerry Sloan, Stan Van Gundy, Gregg Popovich or Larry Brown.

And wasn't it just mentioned that a guy whipped his clip board at a team twice as evidence to demonstrate he wasn't soft? So which one is it?

I've played for hard asses and truthfully I never liked it, but god damn if I didn't play my best and work harder than I ever had under those guys.

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I'll be honest, I don't really know those coaches personally, so I won't be able to confirm how they truly are. All I know is, and it's a fairly proven theory, that yelling is not a good management approach. Yes, it works in the army, where there's really no choice, and yes, it tends to have great results in the short term as fear is a great motivator.

However, in the long run, is a proven recipe for failure. People cannot live in a constant fear, they will find ways to escape. In the nba world, that means tuning out coaches.

The only way to lead a group of difficult personalities over a long period of time is to earn their respect with your knowledge and skills, not by instilling fear in the people you manage. What needs to happen is for players to work hard not because they are afraid of you, but because they want to return the trust.

and of course, you seem to equate somebody who respects players and tries to adapt to their unique personalities (like triano does) with softness, which is strange to say the least. I think it's not at all unreasonable to expect an environment where there are hard rules that everybody must obey, while maintaining a civilized level in player-coach relations using pg-13 language and mature approaches to solving issues.
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Jay seems like he is being a bit of a hard-ass and I for one couldn't be happier about that.
Agreed! I couldn't be happier about it too. Something that I've learned as a coach (and my father as an educator), is that you can't start off mellow, and then try and become more harsh, but you can do it the other way around. I like the precedence that Jay is setting here in training camp.
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Agreed! I couldn't be happier about it too. Something that I've learned as a coach (and my father as an educator), is that you can't start off mellow, and then try and become more harsh, but you can do it the other way around. I like the precedence that Jay is setting here in training camp.
thats what many coaches do
example: Singletary and Belichick in football
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