Smith: What are they going to do with Shawn Marion?
Old 06-23-2009, 11:11 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The proverbial elephant in the corner as we head in the final couple of days before the draft is not what the Raptors are going to do at No. 9 and certainly not if they’re going to buy themselves a second pick.

The big question, the one that will determine whether this summer is a success or not is this:

What are they going to do with Shawn Marion?

The draft will yield a player no doubt, perhaps even a starter and certainly someone who can be in the rotation but the 31-year-old Marion is the guy on whom so much hinges. It’s not that he’s irreplaceable, it’s that he plays a position of weakness on the roster and he can’t just get away.

We all know the issue with Marion is going to be money. I think he was okay playing in Toronto, the season ended with some promise, but if the Raptors aren’t going to pony up enough cash to keep him happy, they have to find someone who will.

And that’s where Bryan’s summer gets exponentially more difficult.

I haven’t spoken to too many people to find out just what’s out there on the market in a possible sign-and-trade; I do know their favourite free-agent-to-be is Hedo Turkoglu but I don’t see a scenario in which they can get him.

At the very, very least, if they can’t get a deal done with Shawn (and my first offer is a three-year deal with a team option on a fourth that starts at about $7 or $7.5 million) they have to turn him into someone who can start in that small forward position.

So no matter what transpires on Thursday night, the real work of the summer is ahead.
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The most I'll offer Marion is 9-10 mil a year. Nothing more then that but I hope we can retain him. He made us a better team in his short stint with us last season
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If we could get him for 7 - 7.5 mil a year over 3-4 years I would be very happy. I don't think he accepts that contract though...so the question is what is he worth on the open market?

10 mil is just too much to commit to Marion IMO.
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I wouldn't offer him more than 7 mil. Remember to take into account his age and the loss of his shooting touch
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i kind of agree, but as a free agent this year he's like the only "top level" player at his position so he's guaranteed higher offers from some teams in the league
i'd cap my offers to below double digits, so like 9 million, even though he probably is worth more like 7-8 million
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I wouldn't offer him more than 7 mil. Remember to take into account his age and the loss of his shooting touch
Agreed...however you also have to take into account his versatility. Even taking his age into consideration there aren't many players in the NBA as versatile as Marion. He can defend every position well. It makes him a nice player to have around in case of injuries.
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I say you give him that 7.5 offer because the ball is strickly in your court due to a falling cap and economic uncertainty.

If he thinks another team is willing to give him more then let him find that team (I don't think it exists). 9-10 for him is way too high.
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its going to be crappy if he comes back mainly because we're giving him the best contract, usually things don't work out well in the end if the basis of his game here is because he gets the most money
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I say you give him that 7.5 offer because the ball is strickly in your court due to a falling cap and economic uncertainty.

If he thinks another team is willing to give him more then let him find that team (I don't think it exists). 9-10 for him is way too high.
I agree...you know that his agent is going to be telling BC that he can get 10 on the open market...if that's the case I say you offer 7.5...8 max and tell him to go find the better offer. There aren't many teams with 10 mil to throw around this summer who would be looking for Marion's services.
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agreed
but there's always some ridiculous GM out there that just comes out of nowhere and throws money at a player
besides, he could just use us in getting the 10 million or whatever and get a sign and trade
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Yeah and if agent was telling me that I'd ask for the list of the teams because I guess I'll have to trade him.

Marion now is kind of a pseudo-role player. This isn't 2001 where he was a legit all-star. He's not the same player now that he was then. Think of the teams with cap space right now. Would any of them really make a play for Marion? I doubt it.
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agreed
but there's always some ridiculous GM out there that just comes out of nowhere and throws money at a player
besides, he could just use us in getting the 10 million or whatever and get a sign and trade
Then you let him walk, keep the cap space to make a trade later on down the road and try to "steal" an asset from another team that's in financial difficulty (N.O.?)
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I wouldn't offer him more than 7 mil. Remember to take into account his age and the loss of his shooting touch
Fuck the age. To me it's not a factor. It's not as if he's AP's age. He's 31!

3yrs/25-27Mil would be fine by me. He's 31 and has had a very helthy career. He has at least 3 good years left imo. And if he drops off after the 2nd year you trade him and his expiring contract outta town. And i really want somebody to say "yeah, but who will want him if he drops off?".....Please somebody, say it??

He is by far ourt best option at SF for next season and beyond.
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Then you let him walk, keep the cap space to make a trade later on down the road and try to "steal" an asset from another team that's in financial difficulty (N.O.?)
I would love to get Posey from them. He is an even better defender then Marion. That would actually be fine by me cuz Posey's contract is not as much as how much Marions will be
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OK Jeff, I'll ask. In 2 years time, name me the exact teams that would want him if his play drops off?

Not a generality, but the actual teams that could use his expiring deal for the summer of 2012.
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I would love to get Posey from them. He is an even better defender then Marion. That would actually be fine by me cuz Posey's contract is not as much as how much Marions will be
See Gurk, that's thinking outside the box. Well done!

But this is my point. If someone really wants him, renounce his rights and move on. There is a ton of blood in the water right now in the NBA. If you can literally say we'll deal a 2nd round pick to NO for Posey and if it fits under the cap, then you do it as N.O. is the one team that's bleeding heavily right now.

It's not the be all and end all.
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OK Jeff, I'll ask. In 2 years time, name me the exact teams that would want him if his play drops off?

Not a generality, but the actual teams that could use his expiring deal for the summer of 2012.
Who the hell knows it's 3 yrs away, but if you think there isn't a team that wouldn't want him in a couple years with an expiring contract at 33yrs old...well i don't get it. I believe he'd be alot more in demand at 33 with 9Mil owed to him then Kapono at 6Mil/yr. The fact is you can trade anyone in the NBA. Plus i highly doubt that he's anywhere near washed up at 31. Better yet, who'd be better for us at SF for the next coupl season's? To me this is a no brainer. You sign him if you can and if not... sign him to a 9Mil/yr contract and trade him for a starting 3 that probably won't be as good.
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I would love to get Posey from them. He is an even better defender then Marion. That would actually be fine by me cuz Posey's contract is not as much as how much Marions will be

He's almost 33...many complain about Marion's age (just turned 31). Cheaper isn't always better.

Marion gets you more PPG/RPG, plays very good D and likes to run...which is what we're trying to do more of.
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let him walk
then take the salary space to accept a bigger contract in a trade, team with salary issues
i think its been mentioned already
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let him walk
then take the salary space to accept a bigger contract in a trade, team with salary issues
i think its been mentioned already
We can do that now. We can easily take back an extra million or two in a trade if need be.
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