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Dr. J. Naismith 07-11-2009 01:20 PM

Smith: Three Spots and Plenty of Options
 
Hmmm .... Doug thinks its going to be Delfino, Rasho and Nachbar.

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Originally Posted by Doug Smith
Three spots, all kinds of money and – most important – playing time at the two, three and backup five.

That’s what Bryan’s got and the one quick dispatch I got from Vegas last night suggest that he’s likely to sit back for a couple of days before getting back into the signing mode. After all, why be in a rush? There doesn’t seem to be a lot of action league-wide except for suggestions Utah’s trying to move Carlos Boozer somewhere so they can match a big offer sheet to Paul Millsap, who, to my everlasting credit, I haven’t called Ronny in months.

Guess it now comes down to prioritizing the names and I’m sure the braintrust is working on a list that they aren’t quite ready to share with me, lest a guy who’s four or five be hurt because he’s not No. 1 or No. 2.

Personally, given circumstances like chemistry, roles, finances and the like (all of which have to figure into this), here’s the list I would make. And I bet it doesn’t surprise.

Carlos Delfino

He knows the team and most of the players, has a great relationship with Jose, respects Jay, can pretty much play three spots in a pinch and isn’t that bad a defender. Sure, the year he was here he had some inconsistencies to his game but he’ll tell you that was because he never really got a defined role from Sam. Might have been a wee factor but that is a troubling history.

Rasho Nesterovic

Another guy who wants to be here and fits perfectly into the locker room. And, I tell you, that’s a big a thing as anything. Think back to the 47-win team. Great chemistry. Think to the 41-win team a year later? Not so great, there was some disconnect between T.J. and Bosh (I’m not entirely sure why, but it was there), Bargnani wasn’t nearly as outgoing as he was in the locker room last year and as he was with Rasho, who’s a good friend and mentor.

And do this math: There are 96 minutes a game to split between the fours and fives. If you’ll have Bosh and Bargnani for, say, 37 a game (and that’s maybe even a bit low), that’s 74 and even my math skills tell me there’s 22 a game left over.

If you can’t get 22 good minutes out of Reggie Evans, who wasn’t obtained so he could sit on the bench, and Rasho, you’re in trouble.

Now, the third spot’s the tough one.

If you get Delfino, does he satisfy the need for a 2 and a 3 and therefore send you looking for a combo guard who can play some 1 and 2?

Or do you like Douby on the court with Turkoglu and Turkoglu running the offence?

Same thing with Roko. Can you play him with Turk and take that penchant for over-dribbling away from him?

What are you going to get out of DeRozan, who now doesn’t have to score?

Does Antoine Wright get a shot at starting and would he be okay as a backup?

And there’s Bryan’s statement that he doesn’t want to give out longer deals to all of these three so he can protect himself against a tax hit a year from now.

A tough call.

Me?

I’d see if I could Jarrett Jack on a one-year deal, although I know that might stunt Roko’s development a bit more and it would take Indy renouncing him and I don’t think that’s going to happen.

If you can’t get him, here’s a name that came up in a comment yesterday and one I have heard around the team, although not for a month or so.

Bostjan Nachbar.

Can do a few different things on the court; I am told he’s one of the all-time good guys so he wouldn’t be a locker room problem and he might take a one-year deal to re-establish his bonafides in the NBA.

I know there will be people in the organization who like him.

Anyway, only after that would I go looking at guy like Kleiza (I’m not a huge fan because I’m not sure what he does well enough to make a difference) and, perhaps, take a quick look at Josh Childress, who Atlanta could very well match on.

One other thing to think about:

To make an offer to a restricted free agent with a full qualifying offer from his current team that deal has to be for at least three years and I honestly don’t see Bryan offering anyone a three-year contract.

That could change for the right guy but that would surprise me.

Source - Doug Smith's Toronto Raptors blog

curryking1 07-11-2009 01:31 PM

Well more than likely it's going to be Delfino, Nesterovic, and one MLE guy, so there's not much room for him to be wrong except on one :P

I hope it's Marquis Daniels or Jarret Jack to go along with the other two.

tommysdu 07-11-2009 01:39 PM

we still don't have a solid playrer that can play the 3 when Turk needs a rest, unless either wright or George stays with the team. I personnaly would want Daniels more than Delfino. Yes Delfino did not have a solid role when he was here but still his inconsistency scares me. One night he can nail threes like ray allen and the nest he can air it

Ball Don't Lie 07-11-2009 01:42 PM

I wouldnt mind getting Daniels as a 1/2 and then Delfino as a 2/3. Then you have Derozan/Wright/Daniels/Delfino, 4 guys who can play and have different skill sets that you can go to and have more depth. If we can get Daniels or Jack, then just getting a vet PG like Carter just in case Roko doesnt develop as planned, and sign Delfino, and I like Nachbar more than Kleiza even though theyre very similar but I think Nachbar will command less coin and years and hes proven he can play well in clutch situations if need be.

CripwalkinK 07-11-2009 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by thriller92 (Post 209122)
I wouldnt mind getting Daniels as a 1/2 and then Delfino as a 2/3. Then you have Derozan/Wright/Daniels/Delfino, 4 guys who can play and have different skill sets that you can go to and have more depth. If we can get Daniels or Jack, then just getting a vet PG like Carter just in case Roko doesnt develop as planned, and sign Delfino, and I like Nachbar more than Kleiza even though theyre very similar but I think Nachbar will command less coin and years and hes proven he can play well in clutch situations if need be.

Delfino could be that 1/2 rather because he's played point at times in Toronto.

As for Nachbar, boy that would be a really good signing. A threat from deep and has shown his talent with the Nets many times before. Averaged around 10PPG in 22MPG. Would be nice to see him back in the NBA in a Raptors uniform.

Snooch 07-11-2009 02:17 PM

Doug has wanted Bachbar for some while now.

I doubt very much he is even on the Radar.

I would take Daniels 10 time out of 10 over Nachbar if for no other reason than he is a tough defender.

Delfino and rasho are a given, i think, and I would assume there would be a minimum signings after that. Someone like Bobby Jackson would be great if the team feels they need a vet presence at the 1 spot. He brings toughness, years of experience, defense and unlimited energy and hustle. He can also play as a sg a bit if needed.

AR1815 07-11-2009 02:17 PM

I dunno... I've always hated Nachbar when he was on the Nets because he would nail 3's at the worst times. Obviously, if he's doing that for us, that will make me happy; but his defense wasn't great and do we really need another guy to come in and hit threes?

I'd much rather have Daniels, who is a much better defender and is a lot tougher. I really think Jose/Turk/Bosh/Bargs can take care of the scoring. The rest of the slots should be filled with guys that play at least decent defense. Daniels is talented enough to give us both a scoring punch when needed and also to make sure Kobe doesn't score 81 points against us again.

gdaytday 07-11-2009 02:23 PM

Daniels would be a great addition.

Windex 07-11-2009 02:24 PM

another 6'10 outside shooter, no thanx
get Jack (S&T)/Daniels so we can have a backcourt combo called 'Jack Daniels'

Contender 07-11-2009 02:29 PM

I think we are very very close to contending in the east if we use that 12 mill wisely. There is so many good free agents left on the market right now as well so im not understanding what the rush is to get lower end FA's like Delfino, Rasho and Nachbar locked up.

I think we are the cusp of something special here and I think its a mistake to settle for lesser talent now. I say we need to go for it all now, think bigger and use new found money to get the best we can get.

gdaytday 07-11-2009 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Contender (Post 209148)
I think we are very very close to contending in the east if we use that 12 mill wisely. There is so many good free agents left on the market right now as well so im not understanding what the rush is to get lower end FA's like Delfino, Rasho and Nachbar locked up.

I think we are the cusp of something special here and I think its a mistake to settle for lesser talent now. I say we need to go for it all now, think bigger and use new found money to get the best we can get.

There are only so many players available.

jeffb 07-11-2009 02:32 PM

If we sign Daniels why sign Delfino?

IMO if you get Daniels you Have Daniels/Derozan/Wright at SG

Maybe then sign Delfino with the Bird rights and trade hime for a backup PG or SF?

Contender 07-11-2009 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by gdaytday (Post 209149)
There are only so many players available.

Well lets look at some


Marquios Daniels, Matt Barnes, Nate Robinson, Jarrett Jack, Von Wafer, Flip Murray, Linas Kleiza, Anthony Carter, Zaza Pachulia, Iverson, Carney, Odom plus many more lower level ones.

Id take any of those over Delfino and especially a guy like Nachbar who basically does to much of what we already got (big soft outside jump shooter)

I wouldn't mind Rasho as a backup but im not in love with spending the rest of the money on guys like Delfino and Nachbar when there is so many other options out there.

Apollo 07-11-2009 02:46 PM

Daniels can rebound, defend and score. He would be a perfect for the starting 2 spot or as a sixth man. He showed last year he can play good in both roles. DeRozan could learn a lot from Daniels in practice. The guys needs some good competition to get the most improvement.

NaturallyStoned 07-11-2009 02:47 PM

I want someone durable if we're spending a signficant portion of the MLE on them- daniels is as injury prone as they come.

Jack would be a good combo guard to pick up, but i think we'd have to overpay to get him.

I'd go Delfino, Rasho and Jack if we can actually get him without overpaying, Anthony Carter if we can't.

Boshinator_ 07-11-2009 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Contender (Post 209151)
Id take any of those over Delfino and especially a guy like Nachbar who basically does to much of what we already got (big soft outside jump shooter)

I think you're stretching it a bit, Delfino is not entirely a "big soft outside jump shooter", he has the ability to penetrate inside, and he can pass very well. The only thing I dislike about him is his shooting consistency and his tendency to over work the ball.

Boshinator_ 07-11-2009 03:03 PM

But you are pretty much right about Nachbar, that fucker is soft...

AR1815 07-11-2009 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 209150)
If we sign Daniels why sign Delfino?

IMO if you get Daniels you Have Daniels/Derozan/Wright at SG

Maybe then sign Delfino with the Bird rights and trade hime for a backup PG or SF?

That's a good point, but both of them are versatile enough to play any of the 1/2/3 spots. Obviously, the 1 spot is neither player's strength, but in case injuries hit Jose again, they can combine for like 10 minutes a night as PGs. Still, if we sign both of them, we should probably find another decent big guy to clog up the paint that we could get with Wright's and/or George's expiring contracts.

And I think that Daniels would be the perfect 6th man: would still get his shots, provide defense and energy off the bench, and most importantly would not take away shots from Hedo/Bosh/Bargs. The starting SG should be of the Dahntay Jones/Courtney Lee/Bruce Bowen mold - a defensive specialist.

10gizzle 07-11-2009 03:14 PM

Delfino's pretty fucking gritty...

I feel the only thing holding him back was the mental aspect of the game. Poor decisions, erratic play, never establishing a defined role [also coaches are to blame....If he comes back here, more mature and poised, he can be a devastating player for us considering who we'd have out on the floor with him.


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